+ 13 Fanboys protected crap science by Angus - my critique by Dr B
Hi all
I saw the two recent posts on Angus and his MS tests of gear so I've decided to speak out and say how crap his science was now that he's not protected by his fanboys anymore.
I test all my gear by GCMS for my own benefit and have posted the results of one of them on eroids. I did not get any free gear for doing this.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/jungle-juice-test-e-from-aussiesteroids.comau...
This is a link to the data I posted - simply a screen snapshot from the analyser I used.
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/71568/test%20e%20250.jpg
GCMS is still the forensic gold standard - if you get busted it's what LE will use to prosecute you.
There are three pieces of data in my screen snapshot. The top one is the chromatogram. The GC separates the components in the gear as they travel through it. Different steroids take different amounts of time to travel through the GC. This is the first critical identifier.
The test e in my gear came out at 10.65 minutes. The pure reference compound I bought and ran on my analyser came out at 11.94 minutes but that was before I cut a foot off the column and made things come out faster. Trust me and keep reading - I'm a scientist, unlike Angus...
Angus didn't use chromatography to separate the components in the gear (the chromatogram). He just fired them all in at once in a big mess. People who know better, aka "scientists", call this a lumpogram. He relied upon the mass resolution of his LCQTOF to do all the work. But it can't...
Angus relied upon the exact mass of the compound as the single identifier for his tests. Steroids are very similar molecules with subtle differences. Sometimes there is only one or two atoms difference between them. Some of the esters are also only different by only one or two atoms. Read on...
As an example nandrolone is testosterone minus a methyl group. But what if the ester attached to it differs by only a methyl group as well? An extra methyl group. Here are some examples where a nandrolone ester has EXACTLY the same mass as a testosterone ester.
nandrolone caprylate & testosterone enanthate - 400.297745
nandrolone dodecanoate & testosterone undecanoate - 456.360345
nandrolone enanthate & testosterone isocaproate - 386.282095
If Angus had used time in a chromatogram as an identifier this may not have been a problem but he used a fckn LUMPOGRAM!
The two other pieces of data in my screen snapshot are the mass spectra (MS) generated in the MS of the GCMS. The one on the bottom is from the forensic reference compound of pure testosterone enanthate (heptanoate) that I bought. The one in the middle is a spectra from the gear that I ran. There's a lot of little lines corresponding to mass (x-axis) and relative abundance (y-axis). They're both the same so the compounds are a match.
LCQTOF does not generate mass spectra like GCMS. Angus saw only a couple of lines in his spectra, not the multitude in a GCMS spectra. He could have seen a few more because his instrument was capable of inducing collisions (the Q in QTOF) to fragment the steroid but he didn't. He performed the simplest experiment he possibly could. Crap science...
And what about his "purity"? What a load of fckn BS!!! He divided the intensity of the Total Ion Chromatogram (TIC) by the combined intensity of the signals for the exact masses of the steroid. He assumed the relationship was linear for the signals from his piece of sht lumpogram.
I can criticise him more but it starts to get very heavy on the science. He used an ESI probe (Electrospray Ionisation). Steroids ionise very poorly with ESI. You need to use an APCI probe. I could go on...
Fanboys. They fck up source discussions and they completely fcked with the lab tests from Angus. Angus and his fanboys heaped sht on anyone who posted GCMS results but what's LE gonna use?
Cheers
Dr B
PS here is a link to a lot of forensic data about steroid esters that I use for analysis. Most of it comes from the DEA. Thanks for sharing the knowledge DEA! ;-)
http://forendex.southernforensic.org/index.php/category/index/steroid%20...
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meh, what a coinsidence, your account is annonymous now, wonder if thats because you worked directly for ausjuice? putting out fake mass spec tests for your boys? never trusted you from day dot.
you were just as dodgy as angus, getting paid by ausjuice.
you put out good results for them but bunk for competitors.
i dot give a fuck about who ever the fuck or what ever the fuck, thats why i never dealt.
looks like Angus did have a real professor running his mass specs.
Wu is going down in flames for helping sources declare their product as pure.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article37459557.html
There are still plenty of questions about who got real results..
^^^^ ding ding ding we have a winner. It's amazing how much power and money he had doin this
$70 bucks a pop seems like chump change for a guy that was pulling in 100k a month with his UGL;s
The power was clearly there, but from what I can recall it was mostly ashop that did not agree with the posted results.
The thing that really stands out was the high risk of this venture, with angus being on the receiving end of so many steroid samples. Angus even posted pics in the EBC a few years ago with his face showing,
odd behavior for a guy that owns or runs 6 different UGL's.
Still some confusing twists to the whole story of angus and his testing, and I wish him the best as he awaits sentencing.
70 bucks isn't chump change if there a 100 guys a month or even 50. That's a comfy living lol. Ya I'm still all confused about the whole thing myself. I didn't realize he was involved in six different ugl also
Hohohoho........... glad i found this!
I had a few run ins with angus and always said he was a fkn charlatan.......... i fkn knew from the start it was a bad idea to let that fkr control "testing" and have sources jumping around thinking they were selling bunk or low dosed gear.
How i love
and trust my gut instinct .
You got instincts like my wife, can't get away with shit with her.
Those "MS" test he did for me put the icing on the cake for me. And yes you knew back then this guy was a clown. Glad you bumped this!
Thanks for the info bro!
bigKountryThank you for your time and educational explenations in this matter,it took a lot of time and effort for this post and for that I am much appreciative, for me it's about trying to gather knowledge on the big picture,Thanks again
This post from the DR would have been more valid 7 months ago, when there was actual dialog going on.
He could have debated this with Labrat, the only other eroids poster that claims to be an analytical chemist
https://www.eroids.com/pics/estimation-of-steroids-concentration-by-mass...
I did not see any fanboys defending the science, only a scientist defending the science.
Thanks Capt Hindsight
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my head hurts i can't believe i read 4+ hrs of this.... it was well worth it...facts are facts
AnonCBBurrr - 7 months ago I was lurking. Check my profile.
You have been very vocal about this the last couple days, even to the point of attacking Goth on this. What are you going to say if you are wrong?
Pale, I think that the tests from Angus were probably not all that accurate. I've done some of my own research and have seen that the ESI is a poor way to analyze a steroid.
I just don't like the way this went down, and I hope I'm not breaking any rules by voicing that.
My only attack on goth was related to him saying that Angus was in jail, when I was getting a PM from angus on another board.
If Angus was in fact PMing me from the slammer I'll apologise to Gothic for wanting to neg him.
I have been a little overly vocal on this, and I should probably shut up about now.
there is a thing called posting bond you know..lol.
10% of half a million is a months take after overhead on some bigger sources. Its plausible. I would hope that he saved some luccini up. But if its a federal case, doesn't the 10% thing fly out the window?
I'd have to do some research .. I do have some facts but since I don't kiss and tell they are not for public consumption
bigKountryMmm I Wonder.....Just hope the best for all...
15% minimum and a bunch of paperwork for federal bond. I encourage all of you to google it up if you are curious.
there you go
Angus is not in jail. If he have problems, let him to fix this problems.
I removed my neg to adhere to the rules. -1 +1
Looking back on some of the earlier threads regarding the accuracy of the Angus mass specs, It would appear that Labrat was the only guy defending his science. Nobody else understood the science.
I'm a little disappointed that DRB did not speak up earlier.
7 months ago there were far more Angus haters than fans.
Ashop,
Why did you back down from the lab comparison you were going to do with Angus?
Wasn't MD going to send unmarked vials to you and angus, so we could compare results?
Ask Angus not me. BTW MD sent to the lab I work directly ( I gave professor addy ) raws and he got them tested. Ask him.
I told everyone at that time that a lie can not last and is not perfect. I said that truth will come up to light. Now it is.
Honestly I am sorry for Angus for having such problems, I wish noone this but at least is clear I was right.
Ask MD about testing capacities.
AnonYep honestly I hate to see anyone get into trouble I really do and do not wish it on anyone
But I still do not agree with all the things he done but that's beside the point.... It is just what it is
Well that means all the test he did preform would come back at an even lower purity.
Not when he was accepting money to fabricate the results.
AnonThat's what I was getting at with my reply to ashop
RustyhookerWhere's his partner in testing?
Lol, taking a couple days off.
https://www.eroids.com/users/beaker
Logged in 3 days ago. Wonder if he will speak up upon his return?
About Beaker
Track
It has been fun and it has been educational and it is over. Thank you.
Unless this was always his profile, maybe he just logged in to say goodbye.
Theirs no possibility that angus was beaker is their? Same guy different accounts? I never really interacted with beaker so I don't know him ......
Mods can check IP's, so probably not. But there are ways to change IP's
Ace VenturaThey're not the same person
Maybe you and angus AND beaker are all the same. Yeah take that, fuck stick.
Ace VenturaNow you might be on to something. I think you're too smart for your own good.
yeah... the money train is over...
I seen that too was logged in on the 19th
I called out Angus as a scammer >12 months ago when he couldnt answer basic questions about his controls or testing platforms.
AnonHa ha!
7gothic and ashop I admire your healthy cynicism.
I've had one friend request but they have not asked me to do any testing.
I don't imagine I'll be doing any since I'm in Australia and it's well known we have some of the toughest customs and border control in the world.
However I am very happy to give free advice about toxicology testing when I won't be fcked over by fanboys.
Regards
Dr B
drd2014.... Let me guess... your profile is litterally SMOKING from all the friend requests youre recieving from people wanting you to do lab tests for them.
HAHA Exactly what I have wrote few posts down.....
Thanks for the post. Never could get a straight answer from Angus about his testing methods
I heard of one source who intentionally sent him nothing but pure grapeseed oil...and it tested at 83%
Gee... I wonder how that happened?
RustyhookerAngus always posted that he didn't do the testing. His partner did the tests. Where's the partner in testing now?
If he would say he is doing the testing then he should reply fast to all scientifically questions that people were asking him. With a partner he had time to goggle for information.
He posted documents here that had so many mistake that people who were reading them told me that whoever is posting this is not even 1st year student
RustyhookerI remember.
Believe it or not I never knew who he was on a personal level. I did not know who he was or what service he offered. I remember reading a post that Eroids no had a "personal" lab for testing gear and that was all the attention I gave to this.