posted Sun, 03/17/2013 - 20:44
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WC's 16 Week Strength Cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
This will be my 3rd cycle. You can look back in some of my other posts if you're curious about the others, and my stats are in my profile.
I expect to not put on anything other than lean mass, cut some more fat weight and increase strength dramatically. I've never used HCG before, but since I had significant testicular atrophy on my other 12 week cycles, I feel it's necessary to add to this longer cycle. I'm all geared up except for the HCG, but will get that in the next week, and then ready to start in two weeks time. I may or may not post pictures of myself.
Pic of all my gear for this cycle:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/everything-for-cycle-3
| Week | Test P | Test E | Anavar | Aromasin | HCG | Clomid | Tamox |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 125mg/EOD | 600mg | |||||
| 2 | 125mg/EOD | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | ||||
| 3 | 125mg/EOD | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | ||||
| 4 | 125mg/EOD | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | ||||
| 5 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 6 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 7 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 8 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 9 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 10 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 11 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 12 | 600mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | ||||
| 13 | 600mg | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 14 | 600mg | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 15 | 600mg | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 16 | 600mg | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 17 | 100mg/EOD | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 18 | 100mg/EOD | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu | |||
| 19 | 100mg/EOD | 75mg/ED | 6.25mg/EOD | ||||
| 20 | 6.25mg/EOD | 100mg/ed | 40mg/ED | ||||
| 21 | 6.25mg/EOD | 100mg/ED | 40mg/ED | ||||
| 22 | 6.25mg/EOD | 50mg/ED | 20mg/ED | ||||
| 50mg/ed | 20mg/ED |
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Will be starting my Var today 6-15-13, a week earlier than planned, and will cut it short one week. My next competition is in 3 weeks, so it makes more sense to me to be on for 3 weeks leading into it, rather than just 2, and then cutting my cycle short at 17-18 weeks.
So far everything seems OK. I used two different kinds of test (BioTech and DomesticX). I haven't gotten bloods done since starting the DomesticX, but it certainly doesn't seem as potent as the BioTech, so I ended up bumping my dose up to 700mg/week.
My training has been a little inconsistent with my job, and diet has been a little patchy, but been on track for the most part. Been making some decent gains. My goals for the near future are:
12 Log Overhead Press - more than 300 lb. I'd like to hit around 320 if possible
Deadlift - I want to hit that 725 bench mark, raw, belt only, no straps
Squat - 635 w/knee wraps, belt
Yoke Walk - 800x80'
Farmers Walk - 300+ per handx80'
Atals Stone - load 450+ over 48" bar
And maybe a couple other things, or at least half of those, in the next 6-7 weeks.
Pinned 2.5mL in my left quad for the first time the other day, and not even the slightest sign of PIP. My right shoulder and arm swelled up really bad (much worse than the left) and is just now after an entire week getting back to normal. I think I gained a full 1.5" in circumference at one point lol. So it's settled. I will probably never pin shoulders again. What a nightmare!
Well, I decided to try some test e in my right arm tonight to see if it goes better. I just can't see myself pinning 2.5mL of oil into my glute yet, and my other glute and quads were just pinned not long ago, so I need options. I'm honestly not enjoying pinning damned near every day this cycle; not like last cycle, I was loving it. Not sure why it's not so fun this time around.
I'm beat today though also. Been on no/low carbs for the last three days and I'm beat. I will be adjusting my cycle after some good advice and consideration; just not tonight 0_o too sleepy!
Nope, arm has swollen up and rashed the hell out on my right arm as well. Shoulders just suck for me I guess. Tomorrow I find out how well my quad takes 2.5mL of oil. I think I'm going to pin it in two different spots still to spread it out a bit.
Throw in a 3 week prop taper (week 17-19) at 100 EOD. And move the var to week 14-17)
I've considered tapering with prop, but I've heard so many guys say they crash after stopping, whereas Ive continued to make great gains for 3-4you weeks after stopping long ester.
Why only 4 weeks of var since it's so mild, don't you thi k I'd benefit from longer use? I'm curious what your reasoning is there. Mostly what I've read is to use var longer than other orals sin e it's much less toxic.
75mg Of var is not mild bro... And I have you on 6 weeks, not 4 (week 14-19 = 6 weeks).
Level of toxicity is relative to the steroid, but it is also dose dependent. The only real mild oral is Proviron.
I realize that var is still toxic. My comparison is however to something like d-bol. I'm just a bro, so don't take what I say as scientific anything, but from what I've read 75mg of var is milder than say 50mg of d-bol in that it should have milder sides, less bloat, doesn't aromatize, etc. and consequently, you can take it for longer cycles. I'm definitely not treating it like candy lol. I'll still be munching liv52 and monitoring any sides.
My question to you is what is your reasoning for using it to bridge PCT? Most people's cycles I've seen that do this are for cutting, whereas I'm just using it purely for strength. There seems to be some differing opinions on how long one can or should take Var as well, but most suggest 6-8 weeks. I took this cycle tentatively from something Juice2 once posted for strength with the exclusion of Mast E; since I'm not ready for 3 compounds, and too high BF% to benefit from it, I excluded it.
Would you still make the same suggestions since I'm solely after strength gains? I'm not technically a bodybuilder, btw, but rather a strongman. Thanks for all your feedback bro!
Var and dbol act so much differently in the body. Dbol can cause e2 issue, where var cannot. Dbol will cause water retention were var will not. Both can cause back pumps, which can be crippling if you're not used to the dose. 75mg of var will most likely cause you back pumps that will have you in pain just walking around. Due to your elevated bf%, BP issues are there regardless.
In terms of stacking for effectiveness, you're taking var for strength, yet I'm sure you're aiming for a leaner physique - since this is a characteristic of var. IMO, var works better with a short ester cycle. You're running a long ester cycle, as well as running var past the long ester leading into pct. during that gap between last pin and pct, serum test will be progressively dropping. By the end of it - still running var - the serum test will be minimal.
The prop allows to maintain an appropriate level so as to compliment the var. it will also provide for a more gradual decline in serum test, thus avoiding some sides.
I still give the same suggestions. Your choice what you do with them.
I really do appreciate the feedback bro. I'm asking these questions because I thought I had it all covered in the planning phase of my cycle, but you're throwing me a curve ball a little later in the game, so I'm back tracking a bit now.
I've run D-bol so I know very well about back pumps. I was able to work through them on the d-bol, and yes BP is an issue, but has never gone above like 145/85 even on the D-bolz. Test alone elevates it a bit, but I'm very careful about my sodium intake, and eat things like dark chocolate and baby aspirin to help combat it on cycle.
As for physique, it's not really an issue for me. I'm taking the Var because I don't want to gain weight since I compete in the 231 class. I will work toward cutting fat as much as possible, but it's not my primary goal here. We have 24 hour weigh ins so I can dehydrate, cut water, make weight and be back to normal by the next day. I just don't want to bloat up like other orals would do. That's my reasoning for var.
I'm going to consider carefully your advice. Thank you for your time bro. Know that it is appreciated no matter what!
No doubt brother. Good luck! Btw, +1 for having such a good attitude and willingness to take everyone's advice.
Heh, thanks bro! If there is one thing I've learned in this life, it's that I don't know everything (far from it!), and everyone has something to teach you if you're willing to listen.
I got you...you wrote weeks 14-17to above. That threw me off.
My bad. Didn't catch the typo.
cycle looks good to me. can i make one suggestion that would give you more benefit?
Absolutely, I'm all eyes and ears.
Well, as I said below, I successfully pinned my left delt yesterday. Today, however, I have some minor PIP, swelling and redness. I normally don't get too much PIP from this Test P, and have never gotten redness near an injection site. But, it's the first time ever hitting the delt, and put about 1.25mL in there. There isn't any streaking, so I'm not worried about infection. It doesn't really hurt, but not digging the swelling and redness about 3" below the injection site. I'd rather pin glutes and quads, but with the Test P, that gets to be a bit much cycling just four areas.
Well, I kicked off the cycle today. The last of my gear arrived last Saturday. I put a picture up of the entire cycle's worth of gear. I'll probably post a few more pics.
The first dose today turned out to be a fiasco, however. I have always pinned after taking a hot shower and exfoliating, but decided to try today without. Big mistake. The first poke hurt like hell, like a super dull needle, but I think my hide was just dry and tough. So I didn't inject, and took a shower instead and it went in nice after that.
But...I was injecting almost 3mL of oil, so I decided to split it between my thigh and delt; my first time pinning the deltoid area. Anyway, I swapped needles, poked my left delt, aspirated (which produced a lot of bubbles), then pushed the plunger and my freaking syringe failed, causing me to spray all the remaining oil all over the fucking place! Ugh...I must not have gotten the needle screwed on all the way. What a waste.
Then, I swapped needles and drew some more test P - that's what I had put in first, but not sure of how much was mixed, I just drew .75mL. I went to poke my delt again, and hit an all out gusher vein!!! It just wasn't my day; that's the first time I've ever hit a vein also! So I said fuck it, and swapped needles one more time and just put in my other thigh lol. What a production!!!
safetyfirst21Nice, I've had a plunger fail and once hit a vein as well. My delts and pecs are my favorite pin site honestly. Cut your aromasin dose in half and hit it every day, it has like a 26 hour half life.
I successfully pinned my delt this morning. It's not easy for me though because of how broad my shoulders are; it was a stretch to say the least lol.
I've thought about taking aromasin everyday. I might just try it and see, as I am aware if its half life. EOD is just what most peeps recommend.
Thanks for your reply!
safetyfirst21I'd also use the Anavar as a bridge to PCT. Start it later and run it later, this way you're still "on" after you stop pinning your test. Just leave 2 or 3 days between your last dose and the start of PCT. If you continue to run Aromasin, you can cut your Nolvadex in half from how its shown in PCT.
You're the second person to say this now. Why do you suggest this? Keep in mind I'm not using it to cut, just for strength. Would you still recommend the same? Thanks bro!
RustyhookerYou're gonna Love the var for strength! Taurine for back pumps. I also hit magnesium/zinc combo with var.
Ive read people mention back bumps with var a few times. I've never tried var, plan to in the near future. what are they? Not acne right right? are they actual bumps? And you say Taurine helps?
Pumps bro, not bumps lol.
Definitely will be throwing in Taurine. I'm already taking zinc/mag. THanks!
i would say start the hcg at week 5 and run it till three days before pct starts, i think this will put you on a better recovery. you will have natty test release due to the hcg as close to possible to pct...stopping it 3 days before you start your clomid will get rid of any conflict bt the hcg and clomid
That's interesting. Can you expand on your advice? From what I've read, most people recommend stopping it two weeks before PCT. That's kind of where I was going with it. But I'm all eyes and ears to alternative theories!
For the same reason you don't start your PCT when you stop pinning. Your levels are still high and you'll atrophy between when you stop pinning at PCT.
That makes perfect sense. ! Thanks!