Goth raised some strenous objections to the use of mast so I replaced it with 50mg of bold ace. My first pin was a ml of test e 250 and a 1/4 ml of bold ace with 75mg of primo ace (tabs). I had pip so bad I couldn't even lift my arm up by the end of the day and I still managed to get in a good chest workout ;s. I also had a monster headache but figured it was due to a cold I was getting over. The pip improved the next three days but not so much that I was ready to pin anything again soon. I took the primo ace for the next 4 days and dropped it yesterday due to very bad headaches.. (goth told me not to drink so much but I didn't listen ;-).... today I pinned 50mg of bold ace and felt that same old nasty pip starting .. luckily the ache went away after about an hour.. I dropped my primo ace down to 50mg and so far so good no headache.. I think that the nasty ass pip may have been due to mixing the two oils.. dunno I ll find out Tuesday what the test e alone will do as far as pip.. I may scrap the bold ace and jump over to deca and take lasix to combat the water weight I will carry so I can wear some shoes besides my sandals