Those with experience, please review
Hello all,
This is my first cycle in quite awhile. I did two cycles when I was young and foolish and I am looking to do it right this time around. Please review and leave feedback. Thanks!
Stats: 29 yo, 5'7", 165 lbs, 13.5% bf, training for 14 years (sometimes more intense and serious than other times).
Expectations: I would like to gain a good solid 15 - 20 lbs of lean muscle when everything is said and done and my body reaches homeostasis after pct and everything.
Concerns: Never used an injectible before so I am a tad bit apprehensive.
Approach: I have spent a good deal of time researching to make sure that I do this correctly. I chose to use dbol for the first 5 weeks as I have used it before and saw good results and this will serve as a good kickstart to the cycle until the test kicks in around week 5-6. I decided to run .25mg armidex eod while I am using the dbol as this will be two compounds that are known to aromatize and figure I might as well take an AI since I have it. After I quit the dbol I will drop to .25mg e3d as I feel that there will be less aromatizing with just the test e. Also, diet is good and I will be lifting 2 days on, 1 day off (chest/shoulders, back/traps, legs, biceps/triceps).
As far as the injection procedure (which I am a bit nervous about), I will alcohol wipe twice the vial and twice the injection site, I will drawl out the test with a 20g needle, I will warm up the test in the microwave for 15 seconds, then I with switch to a 23g 1.5" needle to inject and take 30-60 seconds to inject. I will then massage the area to help disperse the fluid. I will also be sure to aspirate to make sure that I see air bubbles and not blood. If I see blood, I will remove needle, switch to a new needle, and try again an inch from the original site. I will be injecting into the ventrogluteal area switching cheeks each week. I plan on injecting once a week. I know that 2x a week is a bit more optimal but since this is my first injectible...
As far as PCT, I am considering 150/100/50/50. I will be starting PCT 16 days after last injection since half-life of test e is 10 days, I figure that at that point, it should be fairly neglegible in my system at that point. Any thoughts? I will also be taking DAA, Zinc and Magnesium, Tribulus, and Creatine to aid in stimulating my natural test production.
I know this was a long post so I thank in advance everyone that responds.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dianabol | Clomid | Armidex |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg | 20mg | .25mg eod | |
| 2 | 400mg | 20mg | .25mg eod | |
| 3 | 400mg | 20mg | .25mg eod | |
| 4 | 400mg | 20mg | .25mg eod | |
| 5 | 400mg | 20mg | .25mg eod | |
| 6 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 7 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 8 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 9 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 10 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 11 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 12 | 400mg | .25mg e3d | ||
| 13 | ||||
| 14 | ||||
| 15 | 100mg | |||
| 16 | 100mg | |||
| 17 | 50mg | |||
| 18 | 50mg |
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AnonMost people pin test e or anything with enanthate ester twice per week ex: 200mgs on Sunday then 200mgs on Thursday. If you've never injected before don't inject it all at once. Split up the doses shooting that much at once can raise your bp and potentially cause other problems. Otherwise looks good.
dont blast 2cc test-e your hart will explode start with 1cc wait for few days then repeat.
zewiYou want something as a kick start well don't use Dbol on this cycle.. However, uncle zewi is here.. So here you go..
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg A week
Arimidex .25mg E3d keep bloating down estro in check if nipples get sore go to .5mg E3d or .5mg ed.(it can be adjusted any way you want)
Pct start 15 days after last test e shot.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions.
So far, based on everyone's recommendations, I need to add nolva to my pct 40/40/20/20 and ditch the dbol. If I feel like I still want somewhat of a kickstart then I should you test prop. But, I'm thinking that probably the smartest choice will be just to do the test e this time.
Also, I like the idea of warming the oil with a hairdryer better than the microwave. Now I will just have to steal my wife's...
One question: if I am only running test e for 12 weeks is it overkill to have nova and clomid? Not that it would probably hurt but I am just wondering.
Thanks all!
You can never go over kill on your PCT honestly, it's more important than your cycle.. If fucked around with you will not only lose your gains but your natty hormone levels, don't mean to sound like a PCT nazi but it's true any vets here will go ape shit over PCT.. And frankly you've only done oral only cycles and maybe i'm wrong by saying this buuuut I got way less of a shut down off oral only.. because it's shorter and less potent if i can imagine.. Yes test only is the safest pinning for now but as far as shut down goes it'll prlly shut your natty down more than 4 weeks of a oral only just because of the increased time and I say this from personal experience.. I bounced back much faster from short cycles than long (Any pin-phobics reading this don't do oral only you will get water weight then lose it and you will still shut yourself down) So don't get the wrong idea.. Just go ape shit on your PCT and hopefully get back to the same natty. Research HCG for pct if you feel like going over kill!
Agree on pct doing its job. Means a ton on keeping the gains. Hcg better before pct IMO if used. Clomid won't convert to estro and Sparks lh into action.
I've put my viles in a cup of hot water several times seemed to work for me.
I don't have much experience but I guess you should treat it as a first cycle, ...should be a Test only cycle, no orals ...Test E should be 500 mg a week split in two days and add nolva to your pct in addition to clomid, 40/40/20/20. newbie like you but i m sure about what I told you
Seems like you pretty much have it all cover well.... Except the whole heating the oil process. I think your better of without that step.
So your first cycles were oral only? Hmm you'll be much happier with pinning gains.. what were your 1st two cycles of? outa curiosity. I really have to say i think juice in the microwave sounds like a terrible idea.. why not a hair dryer? How do you react to clomid or nolva or have you ever done either? I'd like to think 1st timers to PCT should start with nolva and after 2 weeks throw in the clomid so they can tell which gives the shitty sides and what to lower the dose on vs getting sides and not knowing if its clomid or nolva giving them to you.. Then 2nd pct you know how to handle them.. I think every one here gave you solid advice..
First was dbol, second was anadrol. I know, I know, please no hating, I said I was young and foolish. Brings to mind George Bernard Shaw's classic line: "Youth is wasted on the young." Anyway, high school sports were very competitive at my school and it was encouraged that we "excel". But, I learned my lesson. nuff said.
I did see good results with clomid for pct though. But I do remember the "estrogeny" sides that came with it. Maybe nolva won't bring those?
Thanks.
No hating man, what's done is done and your fine, trust me I had my share of high school oral only cycles so I'm no one to judge. Was just curious, I took the PH route when I was younger, such a waste kept barely anything gained and can only wonder what it did to my natty test at the time xD But yeh the reason I say that stuff about PCT is when i took nolva + clomid I wasn't sure what made me feel crappy.. So I didn't find out til a cycle or two later higher doses of clomid makes me lathargic and bitchy in general - (which you already are during PCT).. So if I could redo it I would have started with nolva or clomid first then threw the other in a few weeks later so I'd know what caused the side effects (don't get me wrong im for both clomid and nolva in a proper PCT).. I think nolva will treat you okay, more ppl seem to be touchy with clomid more than nolva.. But nolva has it's sides.. Since you've used clomid id say go with both from day 1 of PCT since you know your clomid sides.. Just def research nolva for all it's sides so you know what to look out for and how to react accordingly. I think you'll do fine, you've experienced what the unplanned, rushed, oral only cycles do and you'll be very happy with a better planned cycle just keep strict on the dosing and dieting and frankly you can get away with cheating more on cycle than PCT do NOT cheat you're pct or you lose everything and raise the risk not going back to your old natty test level.. (drinking, smoking, poor diet, less exercise.. etc etc..) Those are also a mistake I made during a pct a while back. So we both learned oral only is stupid, now make sure to treat your PCT better than I did. We're all here to help one another, good luck.
OmNom,
Thank you for the genuine comments. Its good to see people passing on their wisdom to others so that everyone doesn't have to make the same mistakes as everyone else. I really appreciate you taking time to pass on some words of wisdom.
I will definitely incorporate nolva into my PCT. Hopefully, this way, it will go better than it did a decade ago...
no d bol. even if u think neccessary youll see its not come pct. you need to know how to handle your gains sides and body.
BigSweazIm not sure i like the whole "heat the syringe in the microwave" idea. I put my kids chicken nuggets in for 10 seconds and they come out pretty hot. If the syringe is in there for 15 that oil is gana be hot as hell. Warming the oil is not a must (i never do it), but if you insist on doing it try holding the vial under hot running water before drawing. Or i have also heard putting the syringe tucked in a heat pad works great too.
mr127superdeei wouldnt kickstart a cycle with dbol ur fist time if u really cant wait for enanthate to kick in try a test prop kick for 4-5 weeks much easier on the body than dbol
Test up to 500 for 12 Weeks. No dbol. Gives first timers issues. Clonid and nolva stack for pct.
Nolva 40...40...20...20. Even though you've ran gear before ...you've been off long time and body has changed. You'll do great keepin it simple. High protien diet.
Add nolva to your pct 40/40/20/20. Hcg wouldn't hurt either
Run test at 500
And run for 14 weeks you should be good.