+ 2 Sustanon & Mast E
41yr
5'7"
182
6 cycles 3 of which were in my late 20's and 3 recent cycles
Goals: Strength and growth
Training: 1st 6 weeks the Big 3 Routine Deadlifts, Squats, and Bench 5x5 on each M,W,F. I want to work on strengthening these areas, especially chest because bench max is about 235 lbs since I partially tore my pec 1 1/2 yrs ago and I also want to try and feel that area back in some, its only noticable when I flex. Legs are strong but need to grow some. Squat 450, deadlift 400.
Last 7 weeks I want to lean up gains and keep strength with German Volume Training.
Susaton I've ran before with good results in my earlier cycles and it treats me well. Mast E I'm using to control E2 and add a little aggression to workouts as well. I've never had gyno problems even running mild AI's so I think this will work for me, if not I have nolva, letro, exemestane, and adex all on hand.
Dbol 30 mg first 4 weeks 10 mg every 8 hours.
Would like any feed back on training, I'll try and post up a pic now and then to let ya'll see what kind of results this type of train can yield.
Oh and proviron 25 mg ed through out cycle.
| Week | sustanon | Mast E | Dbol |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 750mg M,W,F | 400mg | 30mg |
| 2 | 750mg | 400 | 30 |
| 3 | 750mg | 400 | 30 |
| 4 | 750mg | 400 | 30 |
| 5 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 6 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 7 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 8 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 9 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 10 | 750mg | 400 | |
| 11 | T. Prop 50 mg ED | M. Prop 50 mg ED | |
| 12 | T.Prop 50 ED | M. Prop 50 ED | |
| 13 | T. Prop 50 ED | M. Prop 50 ED | |
| 14 | Nolvadex 20 mg | Clomid 200 mg | Exemestane 12.5 mg |
| 15 | 20 mg | 100mg | 12.5 |
| 16 | 10 | 50mg | 6 |
| 17 | 10 | 50mg | 6 |
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2 weeks behind me and going well. Strength and weights increasing with each workout, very impressive routine. I'll try and put a progress pic up later this weeks.
So far I'm liking this routine. Bench up 10 lbs, increased squat 25 lbs, and deadlifts 25 lbs since last week. Prop from sustanon kicking in and dbol up 4 lbs. Caloric intake adjusted to 3400
RustyhookerUp til last week i had mast e up very high. Almost too dry. If you get high estro easy enough to adjust. Dbol kick will probably be the ai adjustments time til mast gets going. Looks like a fun cycle!
That's good to hear about the mast e. Would be sweet if it does the trick at this dose. So you think I should start ai with this low dose dbol. I'm almost a week into cycle now and no bloat or itchy nips and if I start AI I'll just use adex .25 eod until mast e kicks in.
If mass and strength is the goal, than this is a bulker and I would give my self every chance and take the Test out to 12 weeks. The 400 mast is just enough to keep you dry on the 750 sust and is probably enough estrogen control but like u said u have the AIs around just in case. GVTs don't "lean up" anything - they are very different and brutal technique that does build mass by recruiting some different fibers than the traditional heavy compound movements. Been there, done that. If you are still growing on the heavy compound exercises, I would stick with those. I mean when 455 becomes one of your working sets in squat your legs are gonna be fuller - I would just keep working my way up before inserting 10 x 10's. What does your diet plan look like? What were your last 3 cycles? Depending, you might want to add provi - it's only gonna help free up some of that high serum SHBG bound Test.
Thanks for commenting. Proviron is my staple, forgot to put it on log, but will be running 25 mg ed.
Last cycle was a dud ran sustanon, EQ and went downhill and had mass specs done on a vial was bunk totally no hormone, EQ purity was 60%. Cycle prior to that I ran prop,mast, 8 weeks I think. I've been off 7 months since that last bunk cycle. I like the thought on keeping the bulking going, I was already considering it, but chose GVT. I think I'll just continue with the big 3 and add in some shoulder and back work occasionally.
Diet 50/35/15 bmr is around 1800 plus dailey caloric needs starts me around 2300 cals and I'll go 3 to 500 cals periodically.
PallMalleh?
2300 cal bulk?
you need a LOT more food to grow...
I'd add on another 1000 to the 2300 at least, strength will make a big jump and as a result, you'll grow...
Yeah I've already went to 3000 cals. I was tanked after Mondays workout a hungry as hell, I'll probably go up another 500 next week. I didn't realize how strenuous and taxing this routine is, fuck I was shot come Wednesday and today's workout was a lot better since I up the cals, but I still need more to so 3500 feels about right.
German volume training is probably the worst thing you can do if you wanna keep strength. Me and my Roommate did it for like 8 weeks and when we went back to a regular routine we were so damn weak. Do you understand how much you have to drop the weight to be able to do 10 sets of 10 with 1 min rest in between with a 2 second positive 2 second static and 4 second negative? I was reppinf the 100lb dumbells on flat for 8 and I had to drop to the 45-50s to be able to do german volume training. By the time I went back to regular training it had been so long since putting up heavy weight I was so damn weak. Great routine for mass but horrible for strength or retaining what strength you have.
Yeah Iron I've actually done GVT before 60% 1RM 10x10 and got ripped on a cut and kept strength. But as you know everyone reacts different to different methods of training. I know you know quiet a bit about training, so what would you recommend would be best. I'm not dead set on GVT.
Edit: I'm going to just stick with the big 3 as Gearhead suggested.