posted Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:55
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+ 8 sustanon 250 - 10 weeks - 500 mg/week
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
5'8"
189 lb
14-15% body fat
the goal of this cycle is to add 10-15 lbs of LBM and keep it with proper diet/PCT.
edit
fixed nolva/clomid cause they were labeled backwards
| Week | Sustanon 250 | Anastrazole |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 2 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 3 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 4 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 5 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 6 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 7 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 8 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 9 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 10 | 500mg - 125mg EOD | .25mg EOD |
| 11-13 | .25mg EOD | |
| Clomid | Nolvadex | |
| 14 | 100 | 40 |
| 15 | 100 | 40 |
| 16 | 50 | 20 |
| 17 | 50 | 20 |
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safetyfirst21I agree, I am here for the same reason. It is for this reason that I chose to support what I agreed with in the posts. The gentleman was well intended and partially informed, however not nearly as educated in the matter that is necessary to make such statements, shown by his matter of factly tone. I am sided with you on this issue, I was simply giving validity to the seemingly crazed opinions. The man who we are all attempting to help can now take in the information presented with examples to support said information, as opposed to luned statements and he saids.
they are not the same. one is better at bringing back your nuts and the other for estrogen. also he should start his pct 3 wks from last pin not 2. I would also like you to tell me where you got the info on adex counteracting nolva. don't tell people on here to take things out. it has been proven time and again that both are needed to insure recovery. I agree that adex sucks, but that's only my opinion. some people respond better to it so let him make that choice.
what do you mean one is for estrogen? clomid and nolvadex raise estrogen through several feedback reactions. Now who is the one spreading misinformation? The reason I was criticizing arimidex is because of the fact that it is a competitive aramotase inhibitor, not suicidal. If he runs your idea of what a PCT should be, his E2 is going to be high as hell. Bringing E2 down is the main goal of my plan since it is far more suppressive than androgens.
are you serious? you'er still going on about this yes nolva lowers estrogen. it is a breast cancer drug. look up how you get rid of breast cancer. it's through lowering estrogen.. you have already been told by a couple of people why both clomid and nolva are important in pct. I tell you what you do it your way and leave everybody else out of it and when you find your self on trt you will have no one to blame but you. have a good day.
WOW!!!! you are wrong, Nolvadex doesn't lower estrogen!!! It competes for the same receptors as estrogen throughout the body acting in many areas as an anti-estrogen which is why it is used in breast cancer treatment. I tell you what, you do it your way, fill your body with a boat load of SERMs, have a fucking stroke and meanwhile only worry about your test levels. These are drugs were talking about, and youre criticizing me for trying to take a more conservative approach to a wimpy ass 10 week cycle. Have a good day.
lol
safetyfirst21Take a gander at this link hombre.
http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/hormonal/serms
look both of you are not getting the point. you need both clomid and nolva in pct. like i told him if you want to take serms out go ahead. I will play it safe and keep them in mine.
bro, Nolvadex doesn't lower estrogen. You're completely wrong. next....
X2, strongman!
idk where this guy heard this, but i've seen another one of his posts where he's telling ppl adex counteracts with clomid and that nolva is a better option because it has fewer sides than clomid. here's that post along with my response:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/12-week-cycle.
thanks for backing me up. I may not know all the scientific words but I have been doing a ton a research.
you're doing a fine job, brother. keep it up!
safetyfirst21LOL, its ok, some people try to hide behind big words.
lol
Am I the only one that sees his Nolva and Clomid doses are backwards?????????
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
or
Aromasin: 12.5eod/12.5eod/6.25eod/6.25eod
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Agreed that sust is no good for 1st cycle. I got a lot of fluctuation with test-e only on my first. Sust will be terrible but maybe I'm just sensitive.
nope. i was just about to point that out.
waltrer, just messed up when i was making the table.
i didn't notice it till you pointed it out though
you need to get some test e or c. you are not getting much test in each pin. you are getting 15 mg prop which is worthless and only 30 mg Phenylprop which again is worthless. so all you are going have to build up on the ester is 80 mg per pin...that's it. this is not a good idea. also the cycle is not long enough by the time the plasma levels peek you will be coming off the cycle. not very productive.
Very well thought out cycle, I like it.
Consider adding aromasin during pct, small dose of 6.25 every day, then last week of pct lower to every other day.
So you like an EOD pin for someone that has never run a cycle?? How sore is this dude gonna be pinning virgin muscle eod?? How many training days will he miss?? How much does he know about pin rotation? This honestly is just bad advice.
Why would he be sore from pinning eod? I don't understand what you mean by missing a training day, that has never happened to me.
i remember when i first started out with AAS. it was test suspension (aqueous). the PIP was so insane that i never finished the bottle and switched to sustanon. every single pin cause me some severe pain and swelling until about 3-4 weeks in.
RustyhookerYou're the rare guy on here who never gets pip. Fluctuations, pip, and like its said up top on the chem weight of sust compared to the chem weight of test e.
That is true haha. I used sust 350 my first cycle. Sure I was a lil sore, but once the initial virgin muscle pain wore off I have never really had pip since.
Yea if sustanon is all you got that's fine, but sust is best eod or e3d. Good luck first cycle pinning eod ! You are brave sir. Make sure to watch youtube videos on sterility and injection technique.
waltrno pip so far pinning EOD with a 22g in quad.
Minor soreness, my muscles usually ache more from my workouts the next day than from the injection.
a side note, i'm no stranger to needles and injections, i was a hardcore heroin addict for 4 years.
RustyhookerStrongly suggest you get 25 x 1 for quads, delts. This ain't heroine but it definitly is scar tissue. Rotate 4 sites or risk abscess
Rusty is absolutely correct. The combination of esters and fluctuating levels this compound creates makes sides much harder to control. Without having prior knowlege of how sides present themselves and how to control them makes this a bad idea for a first run. Take the advice and run a test e or c only cycle and see how you react. Learn your body before moving on to more complex compounds.
RustyhookerFirst cycle...test e at 12 weeks will be much easier for you. I never suggest sust to anyone til at least 4-5 cycles so they know their reactions better. And pct is 3 weeks after a sust run incase you do it anyways. Adex needs some research too or low estro will be painful lesson
what is your age and cycle history?
waltr26, first cycle