posted Sun, 06/14/2015 - 03:15
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-2 Sus and tren and some orals
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
So this is about my 4th cycle. Had to cut my last cycle short because of gyno which was reversed by nolva. I'm sitting at 5ft5 190lbs at 14%bf. Looking to cut down a little fat and build a little muscle. After finishing this cycle I'm going down the blast and cruise route.
I'm already three weeks into my cycle and already lost 5kg and strength has gone up.
Diet has been between 1700-2000 cals with a cheat day once a week.
Gear is as follows :
Sustanon - Alpha pharma
Tren E - 1st 4 weeks is Bionice pharma.
Tren E - week 5 - 16 is Noble Labs
T3 - Alpha pharma
Proviron - Bayer
Nolva is pharmaceutical but forgot what brand.
Anavar - Noble Labs
| Week | Sustanon | Tren E | Nolvadex | T3 | PROVIRON | ANAVAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg | 500mg | 10mg | |||
| 2 | 250mg | 500mg | 10mg | |||
| 3 | 250mg | 500mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | |
| 4 | 250mg | 500mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 5 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 6 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 7 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 8 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 9 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 10 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 11 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 12 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 13 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 14 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 15 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 16 | 250mg | 625mg | 10mg | 50mcg | 50mg | 75mg |
| 17 |
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rocketballzIs this a joke? U a troll or something? Why the hell are these young guys all gung ho to jump on the tren train!!! WTF?? That stuff is no joke and almost a certain ticket to TRT. You think blasting and cruising is cool Or somethjng? It's not. Ask any trt guy on here If trt is "cool" and to a man Im guessing they would likely all say fuck no. 4 cycles at 26 yrs Old and not only that you already started this cycle so why are you now asking for advice? It's best to post first and listen to the critiques and then make your own decisions. A lot of vets and pros peruse these cycle logs so there's always good ideas being thrown out there for consideration.
I want to see a pic. Plans on posting any? The others have made great points to you below. Before adding any myself Id like to see what your loom like at 5'5 190lbs 14% bf.
You understand that tactic can leave you sterile? Not talked about much at all on any internet forum. No one wants to even believe that that is a possibility. I certainly didn't. It made me sterile. Every time I fess up to that on here it makes me cringe. Kind of like believing steroids won't destroy your kidneys if you know what you are doing. Take a look at the pictures of these top athletes on here and ask yourself - did they not have the best doctors and coaches that money could buy? Steroids can DESTROY you bro. Am I trying to scare you bro? You bet I am. What's the T3 in the cycle for? Tren crashing your T3? It does mine. So when I run Tren I have to supplement. Otherwise I get so lethargic from high dose Tren it's hard to even get out of bed after like 6 weeks. I still use Tren quite a bit. Now, though, I am also on lifetime thyroid medication as well. Haven't needed to have the thyroid taken out. Yet.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/too-much-oral...
The problem here is these young inexperienced guys will throw up a completely over the top, crazy cycle with 6 different drugs at high dosages. And then they ask for "advice" but argue with you every step of the way when you try and help them....OR, they will be 4 weeks into the cycle already and ask for advice. why ask for advice when you're going to argue and do what you want anyway?!?! I never understood this concept but it's the norm nowadays.
Welcome to the fun!
The next part is when they cone back in a mess a couple of months later saying "help".....
If I had a dollar for every time I've seen that happen I'd be independently wealthy.
Novice: Can I have help with this?
Advanced: Yes. This is what you need to change.
Novice: But why??? Forget it. I'm doing it my way.
RustyhookerYou posted a good layout. To answer the question, it laziness. Folks can eat cheeseburgers and cycle.
RustyhookerI'm an inch shorter and 10 heavier, you could a ran a nice easy stack and finished 200 cut. The shutdoen...guess you're going to be trt and thyroid therapy now.
Here's all you need at this age and stage of the game:
1-14 Sust 500 PW
9-14 Anavar 60-75 per day (liver support!!)
Adex or Aromasin - dose dependant on your personal sweet spot....
Tren E - I don't think you need it yet due to your age and limited cycle history, but I know youre going to do it anyway.
Drop the T3, Proviron, and Nolva only during PCT.
PCT PCT PCT!!!
I know the experienced guys (including me) can get a little "pissed off" when we see cycles like you proposed, but it's all with good intentions. We don't wanna see you just shrug off advice and end up hurting yourself bud.
Good lord look at that T-3 ! I wouldn't even run the T-3 to me it's a waste of money. With the Var I would only go 6-1/2 -7 weeks. 5'5" you better eat really clean my friend.
The stack is pretty ugly dude. Well based on your states and body weight you can eat a lot more calories and still lose weight.
Cut the T3. It's not candy man. Cat is right week after week? There is no justification for it. You can accomplish the same goals without it.
Same goes for anavar. Just because it's known to be a mild oral doesn't mean it's mild on your liver. 6wks tops for someone with your history. And that's tops you should probably stick to 4 weeks.
Now the real problem. 1700 calorie diet?! Write it out for us. One of my kitchen sink shakes is 1200 calories alone.
Last thing I gotta say is based on how this cycle was laid out, the compounds you're stinging together and lengths of them you need to drop the Tren completely. It's a serious drug and should only be used by someone with the knowledge base and where with all to recognize sides, counter the sides and not lose themselves. I'm not sure you're ready for that.
Keep it simple. Don't rush things.
I have always used tren with every cycle si I know what to lookfor. And the diet is low because I started dieting a bit late so for the first 4-6 weeks its gonna be low until I feel I'm at an acceptable body fat that I can lose at a slower rate.
Thanks for your kind input.
Dieting too hard and to fast is actually going to be detrimental to your fat lost efforts and make it extremely difficult to lose extra fat without resorting to extreme measures. You force your body into "starvation mode" slowing your metabolism way down and hitting a dieting plateau that is difficult to overcome. More likely to lose a lot of muscle mass also dieting that way.
I will raise my diet to 2150cals which should put me at a 20% deficit. That shouldn't be too aggressive right mate?
If you are losing more than a couple lbs/wk I would bump the cals up. 500 cals below your TDEE should provide you with a safe and consistent fat loss.
Bro don't use Nolva as estrogen control on cycle. Use adex or aromasin. Once you stop the Nolva your estro will rebound and the gyno symptoms will reappear. The proviron, while having some anti-e qualities similar to Masteron, isn't sufficient. especially since you know you are already gyno prone. Cut back on the Var to 6-8 weeks MAX, and be sure to use proper liver support (milk thistle and liv 52). One last piece of advice drop the T3. This medication is VERY STRONG and people underestimate what long term damage it can do to you.....and yes even with just one cycle. bro. also you HAVE to use caber while running that much tren, or your prolactin will be in the hundreds..having it on hand does nothing, you have to use it. Waiting for prolactin induced gyno symptoms to appear is too late....it's about prevention ..
I have been in your shoes and I don't want you to make some of the mistakes I have. You can have a very successful cycle with just a little tweaking....
Thanks for your kind input.
First clarify on your sust dosage per week and your pinning schedule
250 sust a week? That's a waste.
Tren shuts ou down so 250mg sus puts you at DOUBLE what the body produces naturallly.
Blast and cruise route, one of many junky sayings. Switching labs midstream, unprepared cycle. 1700 calories a day, weight loss easily without gear. T3, jesus christmas christ, how old are you and how long have you been training?
EHH why would switching brands be a problem?? Stupidest term I've ever heard here.
I'm 26 and been training for 4 years.
It could be a problem because the levels in the brands could be different from one lab to another - under dosed or overdosed potentially. You want stable blood levels as much as possible. You should be glad a vet would take the time to offer you advice instead of coming off like a smart ass.
Your cycle proposal is fucking ridiculous by the way.
3 months of anavar - Not a good idea.
week after week of T3 - Even worse idea.
did you see the part about blast and cruise route also? 26yo smh. all that to lose a couple of percent bf shit just noticed hes already 3 weeks in to this..
stupidest term you ever heard? look at your stupid fucking cycle, 4 years? wow! that means run tren, t3 and orals for fucking months, smfh.
here we go again. smh.
Left out age in stats. AI and prolactin control?
26 years old mate. Have aromasin and arimidex on hand and prami too. Right now estro and prolactin haven't been a problem probably because of the 10mg nolva but if problems should arise I should be good to go.