+ 1 Short Bulker
Current stats:
Age: 45 (almost 46)
height: 5'5"
Weight: 185
BF: 9%
Planning on doing a short bulk for the rest of this summer/early fall. Currently recovering from some health issues and have been back in the gym for the last two weeks getting my conditioning back and putting some more weight back on. Will be getting bloodwork done in a couple of weeks and if everything looks good after that I will start this cycle.
First time running nandrolone so with the NPP I was thinking of keeping my tpp/NPP at a 1:1 ratio. If libido issues arise my thoughts were dropping the npp down to 100mg eod and keeping the tpp at 150mg. Caber will be used .5mg/2xwk. Would be nice to know up front if others have had issues running the npp equal to test or what your best ratio to test was. NO orals this cycle since my liver got beat to shit during my last prep.
I like to do cyclic bulking, but since this is a shorter cycle I will be using this approach.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
As far as expectations for this cycle, I would like to end up overall at least 10lbs heavier. If I can end up with 6-8lbs of lean mass after it is all said and done that would be great. Kind of a lofty goal for an eight week cycle but if the gains are still coming I will extend it out to 10wks. Overall goal is to put on 20lbs of lean mass over the next 1 1/2 years. Going to take a year off of competing to focus on building up some more mass and then dominate at nationals.
Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.
| Week | TPP | NPP | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | |
| 2 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 3 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 4 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 5 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 6 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 7 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 8 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
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Why a "short bulk" Mak? I'm guessing you're on offseason now so plenty of time to add mass?
I was hoping to get in a little bulker yet before this fall. I get pretty busying in the fall stocking my freezer full of deer, pheasants, grouse and turkey. That is when I take my vacation and sometimes can't make it to the gym on a daily basis so I can't give a cycle the 100% commitment that it deserves. I get plenty of cardio in though tromping through the woods, fields and cattails. Seems to slim me up quite a bit and I am then primed for my major bulk this winter. That will probably be either a nice long Deca or EQ cycle.
makawa I have ran a lot of npp , I like mine at 100mg a day but that's me, I find if I go over its diminishing returns and increased sides for me because I have experimented with 150-200 . I think your libido will be ok if not bump your TPP .25 a day or add provi @ 100 mg a day since your running it at a little over a gram a week.
I was planning on pinning 150mg EOD so I guess I would be around 525mg weekly.
im sorry I am on my phone and all I could see was ED pinning didn't show eod my bad
I am also thinking of running my TRT dose of 125mg/wk test e concurrent with this cycle as a base. Anyone see much value in doing that?
Yes I do. If you're on TRT already keep it going to not disrupt your rotation. Especially if you have US Pharma Test.
I've run TPP and did not like it as much as TestP. Based on how I felt on both I'd rather run Prop and pin daily and feel like a Titan.
The TEstE will keep things smooth. When coming off of cruising and into a blast with shorts all it ever did for me was cause a babble breakout. That is my body's natural reaction to me screwing with my levels. I do fine if I go up amoothly or down smoothly but going from long to short or short to longs with no transitional taper I always break out. My curse.
As far as NPP goes I'll be the black sheep and say I liked 100mg eod but LOVED 200mg eod. Oh my god bro it was night and day. I am the worry wart that runs caber regardless of symptoms on 19's. So I never experienced anything bad. I also run an AI regardless of symptoms. That's just me. Not for everyone I know but fck I never have issues anymore like I did when I wasn't running DA and AI regardless on 19's.
For me NPP 200mg eod did add some extra water compared to 100mg. But the strength gains and inches are just so much fun and it was just too significant for me Personally to not acknowledge the difference between 100 and 200mg eod. With all that said is it necessary? Of course it's not. That's a given.
Damn auto correct. Not babble breakout. I meant to write "Bacne breakout"
Were you running your Test P at a 1:1 ratio with the npp at 200mg?
Well technically I was running the prop that way if you consider 100mg daily of Prop and 200mg eod of NPP.
I almost always have a long Ester Test as a baseline like you mentioned Mak. Whether Cyp Enanthate or Nebido now. The long Ester base to me just kept it smoother for me. In particular less Bacne. Those of us who suffer outbreaks can relate. Whatever it takes to stay smooth baby:)
RustyhookerI'm currently looking at 75prop and 50npp ed. Trying 1:1 could be interesting. If libido slows you can bump test up. You already know foods and training are on point. That's not a worry. Tbol 50 and 50 Provi in my idea as well
I would love to add some Tbol in there for some quality gains since it is fairly mild or even pulse some adrol for the whole cycle since I am bulking but my liver took way to much of a beating. Levels are normal now and I'll be double checking again in a couple weeks but I figured I would give it a break regardless. Hopefully with these shorter esters I'll be able to get the cycle up and booming right away.
I am thinking that maybe keeping my TRT dose as a base might help stave off any libido issues. So I guess I would be a little bit higher than a 1:1 ratio. I was thinking of going with prop and pinning ED but after nearly 20 wks of ED pinning with that primo run I was looking forward to less frequent pinning so figured I could get away with EOD pinning with the tpp instead.
RustyhookerImo....tpp/npp is the perfect match. No ester spikes and dips. Can leave town on weekend and not take gear etc.
Short cycle so if liver is good, I'm sure either oral or pulsed included may be doable. Gearhead has a big forum on liver products. I need to step up my game as well for longevity.
Ed pins for 20 weeks would be brutal. I like ed pins on complex cycle but by week 12 I'm finding new pin points. Ugh....
I was pinning 5 days/wk until I added in the tren a. Then it was daily pinning after that. Got old real fast.
bigmurphNpp is a great compound I just ran it at 500 test e and 375mgs npp. No problems with libido I believe I could have ran it higher so 1:1 ratio is interesting. I also like that you're using tpp it will keep all your levels stable and you can really just pin both at the same time saving you on inj sites.
With the caber I was doing the same running. 5 2x a wk I was told by another member to basically crush my progesterone with it. Another member told me that if I don't need it why take so much caber when its a harsh compound. I eventually cut it down to. 25 once a week and was good to go still no deca dick or other related side effects.
I really think that you're going to love npp i did it put a good amount of real muscle on me, I also ran it for 8wks then dropped it and ran my test for another 4wks.
I came out 16lb heavier at the end and I cut my bf by 2% im now half way through pct and im feeling and looking great. Still weighing in at 208 having dropped basically all the water and some fat. I have followed your journey and the way you diet and train I believe that you can definitely reach the goals you have laid out.
Im surprised that you're not going to add Proviron I know that you said you wantedto give your body a break but its a mild oral that will free up alot of that test to really push your cycle forward.
Best of luck to you brother enjoy the npp its amazing.
Sounds like you had a good run with it. Provi might be a good addition, especially if libido issues are creeping up.