+ 1 Planning to add 19-nor 4th cycle
210 13% bf 25y.o
Im not gonna be running this cycle until winter but want to be ready with everything on hand so starting now to get feed back. I am hoping to drop my bf down to 10-11% before this bulk.
Looking to add some nice quality muscle with a lean bulk keeping my diet around 5500 calories diets very simple
wake up- supplements and 2 scoop protein with coconut milk 1 cup oj 1 scoop waxy
30min later-meal 1-1 1/2cup oats with 1/4 cup rasin 1/2 cup walnuts. 2 whole eggs 4 egg white omelet with 1/2 cup spinach 1/4 cup low fat cheddar 2 oz lean beef
meals every 3 hrs from breakfast
meal 2- 8oz lean steak fish chicken turkey or pork with 1 cup broccoli 1 lrg sweet potatoe or 1 1/2 cup brown rice
meal 3-same
meal 4 -45 min prior to workout- 2 scoops protein with flax milk cup of OJ with waxy and tbls coconut oil
meal 5-immediately post workout- 2 scoops humapro with cup of water cup of OJ with waxy and tbls coconut oil
meal 6- 1 hour after work out- same as meal 3
meal 7- same as meal 3
meal 8- 2 scoops casein with almond milk cup of oj with waxy and coconut oil
cycle is up in the air tying to get all the supplies so any suggestions on doseage or length please let me know.
first time using aro so not 100% on dosage
| Week | Test E | NPP | Dbol | Aro | Prami | HCG | GnRh | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 350mg | 50mg/ed | .25ed | |||||
| 2 | 500mg | 350mg | 50mg/ed | .25ed | |||||
| 3 | 500mg | 350mg | 50mg/ed | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 350mg | 50mg/ed | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 9 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 10 | 500mg | 350mg | 12.5ed | .25ed | 500IU | ||||
| 11 | 12.5ed | ||||||||
| 12 | 12.5ed | ||||||||
| 13 | 100mcg | ||||||||
| 14 | 100mg | 40mg | |||||||
| 15 | 50mg | 20mg | |||||||
| 16 | 50mg | 20mg | |||||||
| 17 | 50mg | 20mg |
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I just finished up basically this same cycle a month ago. Only differences was no dbol, 600mgs of test e and 125mgs npp eod. I would suggest running prop with the npp. It will make the pinning schedule less confusing. Even though my gear turned out to be underdosed I still made pretty good gains. Gonna run the same cycle except with prop this winter.
No you're not
lol you're right I'm not we got a better plan now.
AnonOoohhh what's the better plan
AnonYea I'm gonna order a bunch of prop just figured I'd use the test e I got but everyone saying to run prop.
Yah good call. Nothing is cheaper than prop. Just save the e for another time. It will come in handy at some point. For npp I'd use prop or sust for larger test doses. My next cycle will likely be sust, npp, dbol
AnonSo for a bulker sust would prob be better right
Yah it would be better bulking and better for people using larger test dosages since it's typically 250mg and prop is typically 100mg so you can fit more into each barrel with the sust. Of course you can find higher dosages of each of those but that's the most common
In the end it doesn't matter which test, the longer ester ones tend to hold more water weight, sust was invented to keep blood levels as stable as possible, and it was a miserable failure... I would suggest either Cypionate or Enanthate.
Its just better to use similar esters. You could run the test e, I did but it was a pain in the ass. Some weeks you pin everyday for 3 days then one day with nothing then both the next day etc etc This is what two weeks of pinning would look like when mixing esters
monday-npp/test e
tuesday-nothing
wednesday-npp
thursday-test e
friday- npp
saturday nothing
sunday npp
monday test e
tuesday npp
Its alot of unnecessary pinning when you could use similar esters and pin eod. Not to mention the npp kicking in before the test and running into problems that way. I used prop to kickstart. I sent you a FR.
I'm kinda in same boat on the test e with a short ester compound. I have a ton of test e and a bunch of short ester stuff. Doesn't seem to mix together just right, but it's doable. I was thinking should I add a tiny bit of test e to my EOD shots or just hit them 2x a week with the other EOD gear. Either way. . . I like the idea of adding the NPP a few weeks into the test e. Good luck man!
AnonStart out lower with aro I'm sensitive to estro related sides and don't need that much on more gear that converts. It's better to have it get a little high on you and dial it back down than to crash it from the start that will mess you up.
Drop the dbol. This is your first real run with a 19-nor focus on that alone. NPP will start kicking in after week 1 you don't want dbol masking it's effects feel it out. You need to run test prop along with NPP as a kicker or you will end up with nandrolone in your system & an inadequate amount of test to balance it out, which will likely ( in my case anyways ) lead to erectile dysfunction & feeling like shit overall.
weeks 1-4
test P 350mg/wk
weeks 1-10
NPP 350mg/wk
weeks 1-12
test E 500/wk
You are running a 19-nor which means your natural test will be completely shut down anyways, you will get a little more out of your cycle doing 2 extra weeks of test E. Should not make a difference in recovery it will be rough because of the NPP, not the duration of test use whether it be 10 or 12 weeks.
Honestly I would stick to other compounds at your age/progress that won't 100% shut you down but that's your decision to make. I can PM you about my current test/EQ cycle if you want it's the most productive cycle I think I've had thus far and I've run stupid shit before. I've ran test/NPP before also
i like this, but id cut npp to 8 weeks max.
AnonAgreed short esters lose their "bang" after 7-8 weeks in my experience.... I was just trying to work with the long estered test I guess
If you wanna do 10 weeks I would drop out the test e and do prop at 150-200 eod instead and keep the aro in pct 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Anongot a bunch of test e thats why i wanted to run test e should i increase to 12 weeks? and i hate doing 100mg clomid shit makes me suicidal so i only do it one week at 100
Yah of you wanna do e I would do it 12 and add the npp at week two to give the test a little to build. Clomid gives me no problems at all. If it does that to you then you could look into torem
AnonAnd I was gonna split my injections m w f that would be . and I gotta look up torem never researched it
BillLumberghTorem/novla was fuckin great for me. Set 3 strength prs on that combo haha- week 2 or 3 of pct. boys came back quick and mood was better than while on. I'm due for bloods but I've been lagging.
AnonBro this can work but after a harsh shutdown like this I would have to recommend OP go with pharma only PCT too big of a risk at 25 especially not to NPP = 100% shutdown..... and to my knowledge torem is not readily available except as a research chem & as you know these do turn out to be bunk all too often. Yes clomid makes you want to die ( it did to me ) but it works. Many may argue clomid is the superior drug for restart as well but yeah the sides are unbelievably bad. If you can find pharma then by all means fuck using clomid, but I just checked where I get all my AI's etc. and it's not listed.
I've seen real torem before. By real I mean not a research chem company
AnonGnRh kick start shit real quick
AnonI misread that as just another peptide.... I'm HRT I don't pay attention lol if it works then awesome
AnonHaha word but I'm gonna run clomid 100mg for as long as I can or the first two weeks for this run gotta make sure I get back
BillLumberghRun clomid/tor- still some synergy + avoid nolva w 19-nor.