+ 14 Ostarine, S4 (Andarine), GW, Albuterol during PCT and between cycle
5'7" 190 Lbs, 10 or 11 %BF.
Maintainence caloric diet, 2500 cals. I've ran Ostarine during PCT 2 times without anything affecting recovery so I know Ostarine doesn't suppress the HPTA. I'm going to run this stack with S4 which is questionably supressive and get blood work done 8 weeks post PCT to see how recovery went and show members what they might expect on gains and bloodwork running theses SARMs as a bridge during PCT.
My own expectations is to just eat clean and maintain what I gained on cycle and maybe lose a % or 2 of bodyfat and gain 2 or 3 lbs which doesn't sound like much, but really is almost impossible to achieve during PCT otherwise.
Concerns
Of course S4 (Andarine) comes with the possible side of yellow tint in the eyes and night vison problems so I will ramp up starting a 25mg ed split moring and evening 12.5mg for 7 days and then move to 50mg ED split doses if everything is good.
PCT
PCT is extensive since I ran EQ and went passed 20 months on cycle.
First 8 days HCG 1000 ius eod then begin
Clomid first 2 days 200, next 2 days 150 and then remaining 4 weeks 100/100/50/50
Torem 120/90/60/60
Exemestane 12.5/12.5/6/6
DAA 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
horny goat weed
I'm starting the SARMs 3rd weeks of PCT to make sure I'm feeling like PCT is working, and to get PCT off to a good start and get my HPTA a good fresh boost.
Week 1 began SARMs today 6/28. Starting weight 190 lbs 11% bf. 6/30 endurance has been phenomenal the last 2 days must be the GW. Cals 3200 up 1 lb to 191. No sides from the S4 andarine which is good. 7/2 wow endurance and recovery are crazy. I feel like I could workout all day and not get tired. Last 2 training sesions were intense and I'm not a bit sore.
Week 2
Loving this stack!! Up 6 lbs, whenever I workout I'm extremely hungry after workouts and several hours beyond, I think the Sarms are making me hungry because I generally have to force myself to eat after workouts, this may be why I'm gaining weight so quickly. Cals at 3200'still. This stack seems to be thermogenic kinda like tren, just sitting around sometimes I feel my body heat shoot up and sweat, nothing excessive just something like once eod.
7/12 end of week 2 and pumps are so full, muscles are just exploding during workouts, with no fatigue, feel like I could workout for hours, but I've kept workouts to around 60 mins. Weight gain hasn't changed other than I look leaner, but weigh the same. 7/16 no weight change, endurance and strength are way up. Finished up pct a few days ago, I feel like i have recovered and libido is in full swing. 7/19 no weight change, hardening and leaning up, workouts feel great. Taking DSIP delta sleep inducing peptide, just to see what it does and if it helps sleep. It does aid in sleep, but the main thing that I've notice is my gonads are huge, this stuff stimulate LH release.
Week 3 no sides to report. No weight gain just getting veiny and grainy. I'm digging the results and getting stronger.
Week 4 no weight change and keeping cals at 3200 and getting veiny and leaner each day. B/fat is dropping dramatically and abs are beginning to pop.
Week 5 8/5 pic is up to show progress. Low carb this week and still haven't lost a pound. Got bloodwork done yesterday to see where I'm at recovery wise, should get results tomorrow. Post pct bloods, good numbers.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/bloodwork-5-weeks-post-pct
Week 6 8/12 on vacation this week, beach'n it.
Week 7 8/17 joints a little creaky from the low E2 from either the ostarine or the S4. I do love what ever it is that ostarine does for my skin, everytime I've ran it my skin looks clean and smooth, makes me look like I'm in my 20's.
8/18 didn't work out last week on vacation and leg day bout killed me today, massive pumps.
8/22 5 days after my leg workout and I'm so sore still and can barely bend over or sit down. Joints feel tight, grumpy and short fused, so the low E2 is taking it's toll on me now. Only thing that is keeping me on this last week is the workouts are freaking insane, I mean pumps unheard of and seeing myself morph before my on eyes it's crazy, but the. Recovery just isn't happening. I'd only recommend this kind of stack for 6 weeks and if your willing to deal with the low E2 and soreness then proceed ahead. This combo would come in ideal for contest prep and crashing E2 the last week IMHO.
Summary
Looking back through notes and bloodwork i learned quiet a bit about how well this stack works for one who is in PCT and even ran outside of PCT you should see nice steady lean gains. The pros out weigh the cons and here's a list of each.
Pros: works during PCT, there is no shut down according to my bloodwork and another fellow eroidian who didn't even pct after cycle and his testosterone serum was in the 700 range. From 2 sets of bloodwork it actually looks like ostarine inceases LH FSH and testosterone!!
Keeps motivation in gym, great pumps and workouts.
You could put on 5 to 10 lbs or even use during a cut, just depends on your goals.
Only one side effect compare to anabolic steroids, which I will list in the cons.
Well being and mood is great no crash in PCT and ostarine makes skin look great as well.
This stack lines up to anabolic steroids in comparison to muscle wasting and gains, it's almost like using a little test and 50 mg anavar ed.
Cons
Crashes E2 and hinders recovery after about 6 weeks start feeling the creaky joints, well being starts to go down hill because of the soreness and achy joints. Only thing at this point is workouts and pumps are still awesome once you get warmed up.
| Ostarine | S4 (Andarine) | GW 101516 | Albuterol | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 Week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | |
| 2 Week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | |
| 3 Week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | |
| 4 week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | |
| 5 week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | |
| 6 week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | 3 x 4mg |
| 7 week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | 3 x 4mg |
| 8 week | 30mg | 50mg | 10mg | 3 x 4mg |
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I have some ostarine as well. Been debating on using it. Been off pct for little over 2 weeks. Thinking about adding it after I get bloods done in another 4 weeks.
You should be fine, especially in 4 weeks. Great that you are getting blood work as well to make sure. You'll enjoy the addition of ostarine.
I was thinking of waiting to add it for after bloods so I can get a good idea of where my "natural" test levels are.
That would be the best bet for the long haul.
Good for you brother and thanks again for the log!!
Welcome Solid.
doomzzNice Decent one brother.
7/5 1 week behind me and I am really impressed with this Sarms stack. I'm eating more, working out more often and getting leaner and endurance and recovery are phenomenal. I know it takes these Sarms a few weeks to kick in and I was thinking this may be all placebo, but I jumped on the scale tonight and up 5 lbs and i look dry, not holding water.
doomzzGlad to read, SARMS are working great for you. i have never tried SARMS but i think i should give it a try as well
Weekly updates will be edited into the summary above, that way you don't have to scroll through the whole thread.
Looks good man. Doing a similar sarm run, let me know how it goes.
I'll try and do a weekly update.
Alright administered the SARMs today 6/28. 3 weeks into pct now with full libido and testes has returned to fullness so i think HPTA recovery is ok.
I think you'll like the GW. I was running it at 20mg/d and around the 2wk mark I started noticing a significant increase in my cycling intensity in spin class.
I might try 15 or 20 mg, I've always had all the endurance bump I needed with 10 mg in the past and didn't feel a need to bump it up. Did you notice any more fat loss at 20 compared to lower dose.
Bump the calories up,it will make the ostarine more effective.You will feel better and get better results while stilling dropping body fat..Of course ,its just IMO.But at least be mindful and prepared to increase calories.If anything I would start higher and gradually decline.Especially if your not starting this till your cycle is over.Then you will leave you body hanging while it waiting for these compunds to kick in
I do agree, I just used my BMR and DCN calculator and even added a few more cals, but I usually eat at least 3200 cals a day usually so I'll start there and adjust. Glad you chimed in on this cause I was indecisive about where to start.
Nice triple stack. I don't think you have to worry about the S4 being suppressive at that dose, but the LGD that is another story. From what I have been able to research about it, it is the most suppressive. You will likely be suppressed running 10mg especially for 8 weeks. The bloodwork will be interesting to see. I'd be suprised if you are not suppressed running that triple stack for 8wks.
If you can tolerate the sides of the S4, I have found that going from 50mg/d up to 100mg was a huge difference in terms of fat loss,vascularity and recomp effects.
So if you run lgd and its suppressive would you run a low like trt dose of test with it or run on cycle what are your thoughts
I would run it on cycle. I would use it to kick a cycle or at the tail end if you are hitting a plateau. Especially useful if you want to avoid toxic orals.
I don't want to push it with the S4 this go around, if bloods are good then I'll go up to 100mg ed next go around. LGD I have no use for since it's suppressive and I'm not trt, I'd rather just do some testosterone. Will be interesting to see if this ole boy bounces back, but I'm pretty positive about my pct regime.
OK man keep us posted and good luck +1
You got it Solid