+ 2 Next cycle plans (cycle #8) Advanced lean bulk.
Ok currently running the EBC contest this is just a thought of what I want to run gonna do a lean bulker. Still throwing around ideas none of this is set in stone other than the Sustanon. Gonna get away from tren for a while. Looking at a High dose Sustanon low dose Deca with Masteron to combat estro and water retention. With the added Aromasin, Superdrol and liver support should make for a fun ride. I'd like to gain 20 solid pounds and lose an inch or two around the waste. PCT will begin at the very end of the 2nd week following my last injection due to the long estered undeconate in the Sustanon. (correct me if I'm wrong) I've done my research on the Deca and that is the dose I am going with for a leaner bulk/cut. I always loose weight when I run Sustanon so that is why I am going with the combination.
| Week | Sustanon | Winstrol(tabs) | Masteron E | Superdrol | Aromasin | Liv-52 | Clomid | Animal Pak |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1000mg | 30mg/day | v | |||||
| 2 | 1000mg | 30mg/day | v | |||||
| 3 | 1000mg | 30mg/day | v | |||||
| 4 | 1000mg | 400mg | 30mg/day | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 5 | 1000mg | 400mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 6 | 1000mg | 400mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 7 | 1000mg | 400mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 8 | 1000mg | 400mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 9 | 1000mg | 400mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 10 | 1000mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 11 | 1000mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 12 | 1000mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 13 | 1000mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 14 | 500mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 15 | 500mg | 100mg/day | 400mg | 12.5mg | v | |||
| 16 | 12.5mg | |||||||
| 17 | 12.5mg | |||||||
| 18 | 12.5mg | |||||||
| 19 | 12.5mg | 100 | ||||||
| 20 | 12.5mg | 100 | ||||||
| 21 | 12.5mg | 50 | ||||||
| 22 | 6.25mg | 50 | ||||||
| 6.25mg | 50 |
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Anonj223 thanks for pointing that out. it's been a while since i have run sustanon so this is kind of going back to the basics for me thank you for pointing out my error.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNo problem bro was just trying to help out. I don't want you to have recovery issues. This is one of the main causes for people needing TRT, from what I have read. I have spent at least 100+ hours researching about pct timing and how to perfect it. I will talk about some stuff I read about.
I have seen cases of people who started pct 2 weeks after last test E shot. They ran pct for 23 days. Got bloods done and turns out they had testosterone over 2000. Which means the enanthate was STILL releasing testosterone in their body which also means he was completely shut down AFTER pct was finished. A failed pct. He did nothing about it but wait 2 months and got bloods retaken and turns out his testosterone was less than 200. (normal levels are 300-900, preferably 500+)
The guy who had this happen to him posted about it in a forum that I was following. (not eroids) Turns out he had a higher bodyfat percentage like close to 30%. The theory people came up with was since he had higher bodyfat, his injections were not getting to the muscle as easily to be absorbed. So the oil can be stored in fatty tissue for more then 2 weeks. More like a month or so.
Keep in mind this is with TEST E, sustanon last almost 2x longer with a half life of 14-15 days on decanoate assuming it ALL GETS ABSORBED right in the muscle. So this 15 day halflife could turn out to be 18 days (if a little gets stored in fat) which means you still need another 15-18+ days before you can safely start pct without being continuously shutdown by the releasing testosterone. Starting pct while injectibles are still shutting you down is not doing you any good. Pct is supposed to help you "get back to normal" how can you get back to normal if you are still being shutdown? Also remember HALF LIFE means half is still there. If you have 1000mg with a half life of 15 days that means in 2 weeks your at 500mg which is MORE than enough to keep you shutdown. Hell even 200mg can shut you down.
Anyways bro I hope I did not come off as a dick, I just wanted to look out for you and help you do this right. My personal opinion is to play it safe. If you need to wait another week to start pct so be it. Some people are in such a rush to start pct and get it over with. Thats not what pct is about. Pct is an aid to get your system back to its normal self. REAL PCT is not clomid nolvadex, but is TIME OFF. Thats right, time is your pct. That is the best way to recover. We use the clomid and nolva to "speed things up" so to speak.
AnonNo you are good bro you explained yourself thoroughly and completely. This was an excellent read! Thank you very much! +1 for the info!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCome on bro you should know by now that sustanon will be in your system for 3-5 weeks. You cannot just start pct 2 weeks after last shot like you would with test E. So either stop injecting at week 14 or start pct a week later
AnonDid I not say it correctly in my cycle description? Thank you for pointing out my error.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkJohnnyBlackWheres your nolva.....
AnonI had a bad reaction to Nolva on my first cycle and will never touch it. My tongue got all itchy and swollen from it. I use Aromasin, Clomid and hcg if I have to but I wont touch Nolva. I've run 7 cycles with Clomid and Aromasin and I've always recovered just fine and kept my gains. Just look at my avatar profile picture. I know what I'm doing lol. But I should have stated my reaction to the Nolva in my description I know you're just looking out so thank you!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonOk I've slept on it and I've decided that I'm ditching the deca I'm gonna steer away from the 19-nors on this one altogether. Gonna throw some Winstrol tabs in the last 6 weeks should harden up my gains. Thought about reusing EQ but decided just to go with the blast of Sustanon since I always react so well to it strength-wise and fat lose wise.
what are the compounds and there specific doses in the sust?
AnonNot sure gonna be using Mutas Sustanon 500 so no clue lol
roger that. there isnt a description on his site?
AnonNo I looked it just Testosterone Sustanon 500
AnonYeah but I ran deca at 500mg before and hated it blew up real bad and that was without a kickstart. So I'm gonna run half the dose along with the mast e to help combat water retention and estro build up. I didn't think too much on caber due to the extremely low dose of deca correct me if I'm wrong. My body has always reacted well to Sustanon as a fat burner and huge strength increase which is why I chose the dose I did. I was thinking about another run with EQ but again this is still being debated.
Deca at that level should work more as cutter. 350 bulker. Bodybuilder is more skilled with big time deca runs.
AnonFast48 and Zewi you guys know I always take your advice! I'm not gonna post stats or pics because I am currently in a cycle for the EBC this is just future thoughts for the next cycle. Thanks all!
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