posted Tue, 01/29/2019 - 17:49
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
28
6’0
86kg
Unsure about body fat, machine in gym says 18% but I believe that’s inaccurate.
Would like to put on 7-8kg. Would be happy with 2.5-3kg of quality muscle.
Concerns are keeping acne to a minimum and no sore nips, so estrogen control is essential.
Training wise I will be following a modified version of GVT aka German volume training. It will be a 100% hupertrophy focused bulk.
Diet is a carb cycling method with calories at 3,600 on training days. Macros 270protein 60fat 500carbs.
| Week | Test e | Test prop | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 750mg | 700mg | |
| 2 | 750mg | 700mg | 12.5 Eod |
| 3 | 750mg | 700mg | 12.5 Eod |
| 4 | 750mg | 700mg | 12.5 Eod |
| 5 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 6 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 7 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 8 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 9 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 10 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 11 | 750mg | 12.5 eoD | |
| 12 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 13 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 14 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 15 | 750mg | 12.5 Eod | |
| 16 | 100 | 12.5 Eod | |
| 17 | 100 |
PRE CYCLE PIC:
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You don't take aromasin every other day, you have to take it every day. For someone who says they are estro sensitive you sure are looking to get gyno.
I read a post on here about that and it made perfect sense but I feel almost all of the people on this board and others don’t subscribe to that method(not that that makes it wrong). And there are plenty of people who run cycles taking ai only once or twice a week and not getting gyno. So are you saying aromasin is not effective at all if not taken daily or that it would be more stable and therefore more efficient. Aromasin daily seems like recipe to crash e2, especially because my pills can be split in 1/4 maximum. So I could take 1/4 Ed instead of 1/2 eod but that dose is higher by almost an extra pill a week, and I know you need sufficient estrogen to grow so the last thing I want is to crash it. Not trying to be argumentative just trying to learn.
How much research do you do?
Ever heard the term measure twice, cut once?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-from-med...
Do you know how hard it would be to crash your estro on aromasin? Did you also know they did a study on men who weren't on cycle and gave them 25mg a day and not a single one crashed their estro?
If you come to learn you should know you also need to learn yourself by researching more on the drugs you are putting into your body. You have no idea what is going on in your body without a blood test, When you start ANY AI, you need to take it for its full value for 7-10 days then get a blood test. That will tell you if you need it, adjust the amount used, or not. 7-10 days will not kill you but only make you wiser.
Thanks for the info.
+2. Just make sure you follow through so you have a great cycle and don't play merry go round with your hormones.
I will. Can you accept my FR, was Hoping to ask a quick Q.
Done.
I bet you could hit your goals just by changing your diet and eating more. No offense but i dont think your reasy to
Be running aas right now. 750 is a big dose of trst as well. Try to get to 200lbs naturally and then run 5-600mg test and 75-100mg prop eod for a kickstart
It’s a lot of juice for 190 lbs. I’m 250 and running a gram. Everyone is different and responds differently but it looks like you can still grow without assistance.
Also if you have issues with estro, I’d try primo. With a little trt level of test.
jayisk.
I agree with Rusty on the cycle. I've had good results in the past with GVT but I'd probably switch my routine after a month.
Kill that back and the biceps will follow.
What’s your issues with cycle above? Interested to hear your opinion especially.
I think it's over kill. Especially with the prop. It's a safe way to kickstart but that's alot of gear. I've never ran more than a gram and it took me along time to build up to that.
Your chest looks good. Kill that back and add some pullovers and you'll come together good.
RustyhookerInsane dose of prop. Unless you got e2 issues, youre gonna e2 crash and halt gains.
Insane cycle given your stats and pix. 500mg and provi is more than enough. You need serious food dude. 3600cals....might double check that....
Yes I aromatise a lot. What would you recommend as a kickstart does of prop? Would rather prop then an oral.
I’ll deffo think about lowering the dose etc. that’s why I made this post, I wanted some opinions from pros.
Do you think 3600 is to low?
RustyhookerId pm makwa about cals. Bulking i run higher but im also not as lean...my bad. Lol
Provi boosts the free test...useable test. Theres a stickie about provi you should read in forums. 500mg is plenty for added mass as long as food and gym is solid
With e2 issues prior....what are your priors?
Typically i like to see folks with e2 issues review non aromatizing agents if possible. Like eq as example
I used to be very interested in proviron but Everytime I research it more I read more and more saying it’s a waste of money.
1 cycle of test 500mg
Cruise on 100mg test
250mg test/winstrol 50 cut
2 failed sdrol cycles (flushed it due to sides)
Now cruising on 100mg with no ai needed.
Now just hoping for a cycle half as good as my first one.
RivaYour first cycle was trash because you look natty, stop the roids learn how to train and eat first...
Totally agree with rusty on the provi, I keep it onboard just gotta watch your cholesterol levels and that's easy enough since most blood donation centers give free C screening with each donation and you can donate every 8 weeks.
If you need a good domestic source for provi feel free to FR and PM me.
When you say keep an eye on your cholesterol what can you do to improve it? Any sups etc that you find useful? It’s something I aim to work on.
Fish oil (3000 mg/day) and niacin (2000 mg/day) works well, keeps mine in check.
RustyhookerExactly why you should read the stickie on provi. Provi and the orals lower Sex Binding Hormone. Binding...bound and unuseable. Free up the test so your body uses it. Gives that 500mg more bang. Or using oral at tail end for a stack that also frees up test.
Sdrol just sounds like a chore.
What did your bloods say for e2 on first cycle? You convert a lot i assume?
Yea I will deffo consider sticking it in. I was able to keep it around 30-40 on 25 mg on pin day(e3d) whether that was because my aromasin was bunk or I highly aromatise I’m not 100% sure. Will be using pharma grade from now on though, that’s for sure.
RustyhookerUnderstand that. Everyones body is different. If ya go high as you posted, might try 75eod on prop but keep eye on the e2. 700 to 700...as the enth ramps up you will feel a drop as you discontinue the prop. Your blood levels will have a huge drop.
Aro has such a short life that it can be trial and error. Some guys hit it 6.25 ed or split it am/pm etc etc as bloods dictate.
Thanks for the help, will deffo tweak some stuff over February to get this one perfect.
RustyhookerNo worries. And for future, research items like eq, masteron, primo. Avoid e2 but still plenty anabolic.
Good luck
Aromasin seems pretty high, would get blood tests to monitor levels to prevent crashing. No estro no growth. Maybe you've ran this cycle before and already know what you need to stay in range, just kinda jumped out as being pretty aggressive without bloods backing up the need. Good luck with the cycle though!
Maybe up the protein too, go 250 - 300, you should use it all on cycle, just spread it out and don't try to get it in by consuming more than 25-30 grams at a time.
Sorry my mistake it’s meant to be 1/2 aromasin eod.
Yea good idea I’ll edit that also.
Thanks brother
And not criticizing, don't take it the wrong way we all have areas that need work, but looking at your pic your chest is pretty solid but you need to pop those lateral delts out more to really set things off. Start running the dumbbell rack on lateral raises, doing some lying on the bench, then burnout using the cables. Just my humble opinion but I think it would really add alot to your overall look if you put more size there.
100% agree.