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First Ever Cycle - Test E

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Hi,
Just looking for opinions on my first ever cycle. Stats are as follows:
Age - 30
Height - 6ft
Weight - 200lbs
BF - 13%

I've been training properly about 4 years now put on some good mass but sort of feel I need an extra kick now and have toyed with the idea of doing a mild cycle for a while but now feel actually ready. I have everything to hand and plan on doing a lean bulk cycle in around two weeks just want to cut a tiny bit more first, will be bulking on about 3,700 cals per day.

I have thoroughly researched this cycle but just want opinions from people with experience. I want to do everything right which is why I have gone with the HCG even with a mild cycle. Have taken HGH before and have some left so will run with the test. I know people will say start with 500mg test but I want to start out lower to see how my body reacts, can always go higher in future.
Any comments/advice welcome.

WeekTestosterone EnanthatePregnylNolvadexHGHClomidArmidex
1300mg2iu 3x per week
2300mg2iu 3x per week
3300mg2iu 3x per week
4300mg2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
5300mg2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
6300mg2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
7300mg2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
8300mg500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
9300mg500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
10300mg500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
11300mg500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
12300mg500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
13500UI per week2iu 3x per week0.25 E3D
142iu 3x per week
1540mg2iu 3x per week50mg
1640mg2iu 3x per week25mg
1720mg2iu 3x per week12.5mg
1810mg2iu 3x per week12.5mg
sos2008's picture

Just to update, i'm currently approaching 3 weeks in. I cut down to just under 90kg 12% bf in the end, felt it was a good base to start & I upped the test to 400mg p.w.

Weight is currently 92.5kg so up 2.5kg in just under 3 weeks.

+0.4 inches on arms
+0.5 inch on chest
+0.5 inch on thigh
+0.3 inch on calves

Probably hasn't kicked in yet and most of the gains are due to being quite depleted from my cut. Pinning is absolutely fine have had nothing more than a bit of soreness in glutes that last a day or two but just feels like a small bruise. Been taking 0.25mg Adex twice a week as nips felt a little sensitive. Balls have def shrunk will start HCG in the next couple of weeks. Pumps in the gym are v good, more aggression but some of this could be in my head. Body is coming on nicely even after 3 weeks. Looking forward to week 5 onwards as most people say that's when you feel it. Thanks for everyone's advice, I made changes in diet and cycle on the back of it and seem to getting the positives now. Will update in a few weeks.

giardap's picture

Dimbo stuff here.

Guarantees: you will crash your estrogen. you will spend a lot of GH and it will do nothing for you except maybe a little lipolysis, you will gain absolutely nothing from 500 ius of HCG ew and your bollox will shirnk away, your post PCT natural test baseline will be lower than where you started from due to running a PCT while still on cycle, oh and your PCT is fucked with nolv overdosed and clomid underdosed.

If you cannot afford to run a cycle properly, dont, or ditch the fkn useless GH and buy some clomid and hcg.

Very foolish stuff here, very poor. I am negging this until you make amends to the gymrat and bodybuilding gods with an apology and amendments based on research! Karma back when thats done Smile
POW!

sos2008's picture

What are you on about you complete tool, as stated HCG stops before PCT. Theres clomid & nolva for PCT. 12 months worth of GH and an AI. maybe you need your eyes testing .

giardap's picture

Pay attention.I am going to be generous to you here....

  1. you plan is doomed - change it, for your own good.
  2. HCG is part of PCT (PCT is a term coined by Scally in the 80's and HCG is an integral part of PCT)
  3. Clomid works best at the pit, nolv at your boobies, use both or either but for the pit clomid is best.
  4. GH doesn't build muscle and even if it did, 2iu's x3 per week wont keep you at baseline probably, maybe just about, but igf wont rise, might even fall
  5. Nolv provides no clinical benefit above 20mgs
  6. Clomid for PCT must be run at 50mg unless LH spikes extremely high which can only be confirmed by bloods
  7. Your plan commences your PCT while your exogenous test is still being released and will cause PCT to fail to to return your body to normal or above normal levels.

Now, Ive been REALLY generous to you here, considering how fkn childish your ghey AF response has been. You do what you want, but if you dont listen to ppl who been there done that, did the (resal/clinical/medical) research and have tested the protocols.... then you are doomed.

So keep being dumb or take it on the chin and learn and protect your health.

sos2008's picture

I appreciate this response as its constructive criticism your first post just came across rude and unconstructive...
I have researched everything thoroughly & the general advice I have found is to start PCT 2 weeks after last test e jab? To never run HCG throughout PCT as it interfers? The reason my clomid and nolva dosages are a bit lower is cos im only running 300mg of test per week? The only reason im using GH is because I already have 12 months worth have been running it for a bit but like you say hasn't done much but ive been told when you run it with test they compliment each other well.
So based on your reply you would advise to wait longer to start PCT? Run HCG throughout PCT? the dosage of 0.25 armidex twice a week will crash my estro, really? seems a low dose.

giardap's picture

Yep well when you read madness several times a day, you get tired of it! Its not your fault, the internet and even here in eroids is chock full of shit information.

wherever you got the info from is a bad source. This is why;
at 2 weeks after your last jab, your body's enzymes are still cleaving off the enanthate ester and releasing test into your blood. Go to steroidcalc enter your cycle, make the duration many weeks longer than the weeks you injecxt for and you can see a visual rep of how the body is still releasing compound. you need to be close to zero mg for PCT to work properly. You can see easily that you need to hold off until around 4o days to get the test release down to .2 -.2 mg release a day, you should be ok then to start PCT.
2 weeks and you are releasing 2.5mg of unesterified test a day and thats enough to fuck your PCT. It owuld be a partial recovery and you can witness this crap with people all over the forums stating "you lose a little every time" etc. Well it is because of this.
Anyways, you let it run out, get bloods, check test levels are in the gutter, thats the ONLY way to prove you are ready to start HCG.

Then you do HCG, lets say 3 weeks, test and see if test levels are at or just above exactly where your body should be on the range (research where your natural test should be for your age) - only bloods prove this. Then and only then you stop HCG. If test not at right level, you keep going with hcg and do bloods to PROVE your bollocks are creating enough test, otherwise you are staying hypogonadic.
Then you move to clomid (or clomid and nolv)

Nolvadx doesnt provide and clinical advantage at doses higher than 20mg - this means, you never ever ever have a reason to use more than 20mg, ever. it doesnt do anything extra for you other than lower igf.
Clomid doesnt need to be frontloaded and if you want to , there are better ways on day 1. 50mg is all you need and bloods tell you when to titrate DOWN!
Research clomid use for hypogonadism, med journals not forums

GH, do what you want, but read this: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/37/2/100
IGF is where it is at. Use GH at 1iu to replace in the event of GH shutting down from IGF, but for muscle it is IGF you need. Sure GH will increase IGF, but it doesnt build muscle, per the article. Have a read of it.
GH does nothing for test or androgen receptors, but IGF does. IGF wil prevent binding proteins from hogging the androgen receptors (FOX0 proteins). It is therefore good for busting plateaus if you hit one from too much androgen, but unlikely at 300mg.

Read about 3 posts down here ( https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/advise-on-my-results-an... ) for a proper protocol, but for HCG, you could get away with 500 iu's 3x per week for 3 weeks if you used hcg on cycle too. or else go 1K iu's x3 per week. Click my profile and read my forum on HCG for more info on how to think about dosing.
HCG only to prove your bollox works, clomid only to prove your brain works, adex to manage estro if it spikes by hcg, bloods to measure both. If you dont commit to bloods, then you dont know (evidence) when it is ok to change from 1 to the other.

This costs a few bucks to do properly. You are talking at least 3 sets of bloods, but you are GUARANTEEING you know what/when to do.

sos2008's picture

wow great information, must admit it goes against what a lot of the forums say as the 'usual protocol' most seem to say 2-3 weeks after last jab of test e but you seem to know what your talking about.
So just to clarify
Best to wait 30-40 days after last jab
Then take the HCG for a couple of weeks. Assuming stop the HCG when I start taking nolva/clomid as it interfers?
Then start clomid/nolva (no more than 20mg nolva) for 4 weeks after that?
I have pre bloods done already so know what my baseline is which should help with timing.
Thanks, have certainly made me rethink the PCT.

Immortaltech's picture

well said bro +1

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giardap's picture

Fast forward 5 years.... Oh shit I am TRT and how does this blue magnifying glass work?!
;-)

sos2008's picture

Thanks everyone for the replies. I will def up the calories, I forget when I was bulking at 3700 before I was 20lbs lighter so need more food now. Guna first pin in two weeks just want to get my bf down as low as possible first so I can keep calories up during PCT and not hold to much fat. If I can get to around 220 without putting on too much fat i will be very happy. Will keep you posted i'm sure I will need your advice during the next few months.
Thanks again.

Tgomilk's picture

Cheers. What is your diet an kcals now? I'm thinking the food could be what's limiting your growth. 6 feet tall is above average and 200lbs 6 feet tall and ~13%bf.. come on bro. Eat some more. Add a meal per day. Try that for a month and see if that doesn't add some strength.

In my opinion, 500mg to start.. but you already know folks will say that.. Would hate to see you shut yourself down for a very mild benefit.

Hgh works best long term. I would save it and run it when you can do something like 6 months or more.

Nolva 3x a week for what? Run an ai like arim or aroma 3x a week at a low dose if you absolutely have to but I wouldn't start running it unless you see sides. Not worth the side effects if you aren't seeing some puffy nips or acne pop up. Your clomid pct looks ok. Hcg could be saved til pct but that's more of a personal choice imo.

I like the length of the cycle with test e but for a first cycle, I would try test prop. Every other day, 150mg. That's a tiny bit over 500mg per week. Test prop gives you closer to the actual my per ml amount listed on the bottle but you're still only getting 80-90% of that #. Test enanthate more like 70%.

Anyways, you've done good research. Keep at it. Eat more. 13% is pretty low. Bulk up and then cut later. Just my opinion.

Robman040's picture

Why are you recommending 12 weeks of test prop for a first cycle? Never hear that before. Basically, test is test and that means he isnt going to know any difference in muscle gained so there is no point. Hes going to be new to pinning as well and highly doubt hell have enough injection sites to pin EOD for 12 weeks. Thats why test e or c only is recommended for a first cycle.

To the OP i dont think your eating enough brother. If 3700 cals is your bulk... how much and what are you eating now? 6 foot and 200 lbs is pretty light considering your 13% bodyfat. The reason most likely that you have hit plateaus is because your not eating enough. Your diet needs to be at 100% to get the most put of your cycle and would be in your best interest to get that sorted out before you start. Eat big to get big bro

Tgomilk's picture

Because if he has some harsh sides pop up the stuff will clear his system faster. Just a super safe suggestion. Glad we agreed about the diet.

Robman040's picture

What kind of harsh sides is he going to get on 300mg test e? This isnt tren and theres no need for that. No one advises people to run prop their first cycle and I already explained why.

Makwa's picture

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I totally agree.

+3 brother, solid advice.

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