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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Sup gentleman, I will be documenting my current cycle on here… I welcome feedback and some advice.

Start:
Feb 21,2022.
Weight:191.6lbs
BF%8.2

Compounds:

Testosterone Enanthate : 300mg/week(M, W, F)
Primobolan Enanthate: 300mg/week (M, W, F)
Dianabol: 30mg pre workout (training days only)
HCG: 500iu (M, W, F)
HGH: (nuptropin) 4iu every other day
Test No Ester: (heavy lift days only, 50mg pre workout)
…. This TNE stinks up the whole house, wife hates it haha.

Currently finishing the nuptropin, and waiting for roidsource to open up so I can run the Qtropin in its place.

Also hoping the lower dose of test combined with primobolan diminishes the need to deploy an AI on cycle. I will be getting bloods done in 2 weeks.
By the way, test is from no excuses compounds, primo is Bayer rimobolan, dianabol is British dragon, hcg is sifasi HP,

All oils and orals have been confirmed with testing (roid test quantative testosterone kit is great) shows different color reaction for different concentrations

Week/ProductTestosterone EnanthatePrimobolanDianabolHcg
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PRE CYCLE PIC: 
Skelz247's picture

I love the set up! I'm a huge fan of low dose eod pin schedule even with long esters it keeps the bloods more stable and sides down. I try to lightly use ai also due to the terrible cardiovascular problems they can cause long term. I think these doses are good could up primo but if you are getting results and no side why push it. Best low dose low sides with results is kinda the point.I cycle for a better overall quality of life not to battle sides the whole time great stuff brother

T-Raww18's picture

I am currently up 6 lbs. very little water retention .. so far I’m very happy with the dosing. I’m not trying to be nick walker…..I’m trying to stay health conscious as well. Primo being real mild on any sides (other than hair thinning) so last week I upped the dose to 450mg a week. Test still at 300mg.
Just to be clear:
Monday- test 100mg / primo 150mg/ 500iu HCG
Wednesday- same
Friday- same

Anybody else who has good hair genetics ( no balding/both my dad and my moms dad have full heads of hair) experience thinning ? Whenever I stop using compounds it thickens back up fairly quickly. Any tips while on ? I don’t want to mess with Gina sterile and have to be on for life

Vegeta2632's picture

I have supreme hair genetics. For every single AAS, my hair is untouched. Except Primo. Primo makes me shed quite noticeably. My full head of hair looks noticeably thinner after too long. As soon as I stop the Primo, it gets thick again. Weird. Happens like that to some people.

T-Raww18's picture

You know what man, I really think it’s the same case with me. Stopped primo due to injury 5 weeks ago just TRT now and it has stopped shedding almost completely. Just normal shower shed now. You think DHB would be worse? Or better?

Vegeta2632's picture

I don't think it will be worse. On paper it certainly seems like it would be, but anecdotally it seems not to be the case at all. I had zero shedding on dhb all the times I've takin it. Primo seems to have some special ability to aggravate the scalp, attach to the receptors and allow follicles to mature and fall out. At least that's the worst of it, otherwise primo is the shit.

T-Raww18's picture

Think my comeback cycle is Gonna be test NPP and toss in some DHB instead of an oral….

Vegeta2632's picture

That's my off season bulk cycle. Test deca dhb with npp Kickstart for the first 4 weeks. There is a reason the pros always, even up to this day stick with test a deca/npp for gaining mass in the off season. It works really good. With minimal sides. The DHB being a strong androgen kind of counterbalances the nandrolone. Making for a bad ass cycle

T-Raww18's picture

Finasteride* hahah

JFit253's picture

I would recommend increasing primo to at least 500. If you start low and realize you need more, the cycle will already be half over. Primo is one of those drugs that does shine at the higher doses vs lower

T-Raww18's picture

So far so good, feeling fuller and strength definitely up… increased nitrogen/mineral retention. Attribute most of that to the orals at this stage.

T-Raww18's picture

I do believe finding your own “ minimum effective dose” is beneficial. And then proceeding from that…. I’ve never ran primo this is my first run. If 300 proves to be pointless than I will up it. As far as test, with 300mg a week of pharma, my levels are about 1250 so I’m good with that. I have absolutely no need for 900mg of test.

Rustyhooker's picture

Good thing i said 900 test was stupid then. Winning!!

T-Raww18's picture

Easy fellas…. To confirm, 300mg test per WEEK split into M W F dosing, same with primo. I think I may bump the primo to 500/600 but keep test at 300. Also I’m not running dbol all cycle…. Only pre workout days for the first 4 weeks. Evil makes me feel just all around good. Goal is to build back some lost mass after being sick for a couple weeks. It

wanted's picture

Oh well had my hoped up for a great transformation
At the 900 and maybe test at 3-500.
And save yourself 20 weeks of saying man i should of ran primo at 900 from the beginning

T-Raww18's picture

I can always increase, if 300 isn’t enough for an individual, can’t see anybody just continuing on for 20 weeks KNOWING it’s not effective. General consensus so far seems that about a gram a week of primo is necessary…. Anyone disagree with that extrapolation

Makwa's picture

300 will not be enough. By the time you realize that your cycle will be half over and by the time you up the dose and it really gets going your cycle is over and a big disappointment. I don't say this much but primo is one of those drugs where more actually is better.

https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/my-2-cents-o...

T-Raww18's picture

Thanks for sharing that write up…. What do you like about DHB? Comparable to? I’ve never ran it and honestly don’t know many who have….

Makwa's picture

I have ran alot of primo and alot of DHB, ran both of them for comps also. DHB wins me overalls and primo always gets me 2nd place. I always seem harder and more vascular with DHB. I just look sharper on it. Now, if you are not 4% BF are you going to notice much of difference between the two, maybe not, but uber low BF I notice a difference. DHB is more versatile. Can use it for either a bulk or a cut. Primo, I probably wouldn't waste my time or money bulking with it. Much more efficient and cheaper compounds for bulking. But, with good primo becoming cheaper, a high dosed primo bulk could be a fun experiment.

It is hard to compare DHB to another compound. Some say it is like tren without the sides. That is true to a point. The nutrient partitioning effects from each of them are comparable and you definitely don't get the mind altering side effects like you do with tren. I lose my fullness on tren when cutting though. I cut the carbs out and I go flat and look stringy. Cut the carbs with DHB and I stay full looking. Maybe the best way to look at DHB is like EQ on steroids with the nutrient partitioning effects of tren.

T-Raww18's picture

Interesting, thanks for that…. Who do you source your DHB from?

Makwa's picture

FR sent. I'll PM you.

wanted's picture

I was hoping 900 primo then id love to hear results

Makwa's picture

That is where primo really gets good.

Makwa's picture

don't expect much from 300mg of primo

Olav Thorsen's picture

Don't listen to Rusty. Conservative cycles aren't wasted cycles. Goals, and cycle history/response would need to be considered before making that judgement. Most people aren't trying to get as huge as possible, as fast as possible, by any means necessary. Staying healthy riding minimum effective doses wins the race in my book. What's you planned cycle length?

Looking forward to your updates.

Rustyhooker's picture

900 test ruins the effects of primo or you woulda posted that. If he wants 900 test hes not trying to run a cutter! But even a newb knows all that.

And who the hell runs high test plus dbol with primo??? If he was gonna slice and dice...thats all waterry looking....ya. A WASTE of primo.

900 test...switch out for EQUIPOISE and save that primo for 900 primo 300test.

But again....any rookie woulda explained all that with their prowess and skill. Right bruh? Right???

Olav Thorsen's picture

Rusty...the OP said "300 test and primo", then you replied "900 test and primo" That appeared to be what you were recommending rather than 300. It appeared you were telling him to bump everything up to 900. That's why I said "don't listen to Rusty."

Rustyhooker's picture

I was here for the ORIGIONAL post as stated below. Slip the op your Tender acct and fondle elsewhere. You gave no info to the op thar was any help whatsoever.

Rustyhooker4.8k2d ago..900 test...900 primo....and..dbol for whole cycle. Wasted cycle imo...

THAT is his origional idea. Where does that look good at all?

Mdes's picture

300 mg of test and primo is better than original. I’d keep test at 300 and up the primo . Dbol for whole cycle doesn’t make any sense .. I’d start or end cycle with winny or anavar ..

Rustyhooker's picture

Yessir. His written portion is 300 m w f for each. I dont think that would be a smart move. Deca or eq or anything but 900 of each. Lol!

Mdes's picture

I think he’s gonna run 300 mg of test total a week and 300 primo a week . Pinning 100mg of each m/w/f .