Cutting Cycle
Update: Three Weeks In
So far, so good! Blood serum on test (315mg/wk, 45mg ED) and primo (210mg/wk, 30mg ED) have likely been reached. Feeling good and strong, gym performance solid. I started the tren ace at 6mg per day. That was mild, and I didn't feel much of anything, so after two weeks I increased to 8mg per day. I have been running that for a week before I just bumped it to 10mg per day a few days ago. No sleep disruptions, but as I have titrated up I have noticed more central nervous stimulation, more gym drive/aggression, improved pumps, and a harder, drier feel to my muscles, particularly shoulders and chest. Vascularity, too, is way up. Mood has been good, and BP has been coasting along at an average of 120/70, so no worries on that front. I'll stick here at 10mg of tren ace per day, 315 test and 210 primo per week for another six weeks or so before I drop the tren and run bloodwork. I'm down to a 7-day bodyweight average of 197 from a high, before beginning to cut calories, of 213. I'm aiming to cut another 5-10lbs, and I'm dropping at an average rate of a pound a week on 2600-2800kcal per day. Smooth sailing, and feeling great.
Currently running TRT @ 140mg/week (20mg pinned daily), and 3iu HGH in the evening. I started cutting calories at the beginning of May (down to 3100kcal/day from 3400-3600) and took off some of the water I was holding, down to 204 average from 215 at the end of my bulking phase. I reintroduced reta after a couple months off while I was growing at 3mg/week (pinning MWF).
My post growth cycle bloodwork was decent, but my HDL was lower than I like (blame the var) and my liver enzymes mildly elevated. I'm running bloods again after a two month health phase and if everything looks good, I plan to run a mild cutting cycle:
300mg test e
210mg primo
48mg tren ace for first 8 weeks
Adding the tren in as an experiment, and for the nutrient partitioning, anti-catabolic affect. Planning to pin daily, as usual. I'll drop the tren after 8 weeks and get bloods. Depending how things look, I'll ride out the primo and test for another 8 weeks, maybe with some pre-workout anavar if my lipids look good.
Also might throw in mast at week 9 if my estradiol is holding steady at 100mg/week. I should be plenty lean for it to show its best side, and I love the libido boost I get from it, but I don't want to crash my E2, so that will depend on mid-cycle bloods and how I'm feeling.
UPDATE: Pre-cycle bloodwork was fine, but not stellar: ALT/AST moderately elevated at 80 and 70 respectively; HDL rebounded to 38 from 32 at the end of my last cycle (not as high as I wanted, but decent), LDL at 96 (actually an increase from postcycle bloodwork which showed LDL at 85). I'm going to go ahead with this cutting cycle and see where things stand at the end of July. If my bloods are in the shitter I'll likely call it quits a bit early and go back into a health phase for a longer period of time.
| Week/Product | Testosterone Enanthate | Primo | Tren Ace | Anavar |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 2 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 3 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 4 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 5 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 6 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 7 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 8 | 300 | 210 | 48 | |
| 9 | 300 | 210 | 10mg preworkout | |
| 10 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 11 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 12 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 13 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 14 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 15 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED | |
| 16 | 300 | 210 | 10mg/ED |
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48 mg tren ed im guessing? And why 48?
DocMcGains6mg per day for 48 per week; 6mg because that's three hatch marks on the barrel, which just makes things easy. I'm curious about Steve's claim that at 90kg the lowest effective dose of tren ace is 25mg per week to get the anti-catabolic and nutrient partitioning affects, and minimize sides. If I see nothing, I'll titrate up.
How was ur experience with dropping reta for a while and going back on? I've been on varying doses of reta for like 16 months. Wonder if I need a reset...
How was ur experience with dropping reta for a while and going back on? I've been on varying doses of reta for like 16 months. Wonder if I need a reset...
DocMcGainsPretty smooth. I ran it for about 9 months straight at 3mg/week. During my bulk it kept me nicely insulin sensitive and my glucose numbers were consistently great. I stopped because I ran out, and when I eventually re-upped I figured I would wait to implement it until I began the cut in earnest. Cutting calories from 3500 to 3100 is very easy, but with the reta in I haven't noticed a thing. I'll be curious to see how it has improved my blood markers. When I did post-cycle bloodwork I had been off for about a month, and when I get bloods again at the end of the month I will have been back on for about a month, and last time I was running it I noticed it really helped counter AAS-induced dyslipidemia.
DocMcGainsI should add, I don't feel newly "re-sensitized" to the compound or whatever. But I hadn't been feeling desensitized to it in the first place. Dosing it low, with regular injections, does seem to have a different affect than the bolus dosing conducted in the trials.
Awesome buddy thanks for the insight
Not bad.... doses are low, seems overall safe. No comment on the low dose Tren, unsure of the benefits/sides from 50mg weekly.
Just to verify, have you used Primo before? If so, are those ratios (Test to Primo) the correct numbers to keep E2 in check? The reason I ask is becuase for the longest time I used a 1.5:1 Primo/Test ration, then I cut 6 bf% points, and the Primo was too high and crashed my E2.. I now do a 1:1 ratio, feeling good, labs will verify on 6/2
DocMcGainsYeah, I don't know either! I'm running this as an experiment based on the protocol developed by Vigorous Steve and Dr. Dean. It might be malarkey, or it might work. If it doesn't, I will titrate up, but don't plan on going over 70-100mg/week of tren.
I've run primo at low doses previously primarily for tissue retention during a cut, and usually at 80% of my test dose. That proved too high for EQ and crashed my E2, but has worked well to keep my E2 in the 20s or upper teens when running a modest dose of test.
I'm running this cycle primarily to experiment with low dosing during a cut to see how I respond and how my bloodwork looks. I'll be starting in low and slow, but I really don't want to push my test much higher than that otherwise I start to get a bit watery.
“ 20s or upper teens when running a modest dose of test”
This proves that humans are super complex and doffferent. I feel the best when my e2 is between 40-50. I feel like absolute shit when it hits the teens
DocMcGainsYeah, I have heard that! When I crashed it on EQ, it was 9. That felt crappy. I increased my test dose and added 10mg dbol ED (20 at first, split morning and afternoon to pull me out of the hold). That got me back up to the low 20s and I was good to go. Fascinating!
Then again, I've never really run my E2 higher than that. Maybe I would feel better? I felt great in the low 20s.
how long did you run the Dbol in that particular instance? If you were using a long ester, im guessing you ran it for 2 weeks until the Test E/C started to hit?
DocMcGainsMy initial plan was to keep it in for 2-3 weeks at the 20mg split twice a day dose. I dropped it down to 10mg preworkout and kept it in for the remaining 8 weeks of the cycle because I liked it so much, and it didn’t seem to be causing a ton of water retention or adversely impacting my bloodwork. I didn’t know it at the time but dbol gives me a mild euphoric lift, and a nice libido boost, likely attributable to the methyl estradiol spike it causes.
"methyl estradiol spike it causes".. that makes sense.. due to that, you might like a higher overall E2, I mean higher than the low 20s, lower 30s might give a permanent "mild euphoric lift, and a nice libido boost"
just a thought, or I could have zero idea what im talking about
DocMcGainsThat was what I was thinking above as well. On my TRT cruising dose of 100mg test my total T levels are usually in the 900-1100 range, but my E2 is like 17-20. Short of getting fat, not sure how I might boost that number.
yea, I guess theres nothing you can really do unless you add test or another compound, which kinda defeats the purpose of a cruise.. yea man, you are shredded, the only downfall of having low BF.