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+ 3 Contest prep cycle log

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Number of cycles done : 6
Age : 30
Start of cycle :84-85kg
Height : 172cm
Bf% : 11-12%
Division : classic bodybuilding 70-80kg (NOT classic physique)

Expectations : 5%bf, weigh in at 76-77kg show day will see
Concerns : peak week estro crush, pip from ed-eod injections

Notes:
Injections will be EOD except week 7 and week 8 where the dosage will be split into ED pins.
Test prop will be cut last week same as orals. Tren will be until 3 days out. Masteron will be pinned ed. Adding 30mgs of Halo on last week.
Additionally i take 25mg proviron and ill slowly ramp it up to 100 for the final week.
Caber 0.5 every 4 days
Aromasin is taken every 2 days
Nolvadex will be added on final week at 40mg ed and possibly letro to crush all estrogen and dry out.
No diuretics apart from otc xpell and vitamin C load.
Water and sodium will be kept stable. Sodium will
Be cut 2 days out into 1/2 and again 1/2 at one day out. Carbs will be loaded on 7 and 6 days out then keep stable at 100per day. One day out will increase carbs to 175-250 deending condition and flatness. On show day will be consumed at 100-300 depending fullness. Sodium will be bumped to 2.5x the normal intake spread evenly till stage

WeekTest PropMast AceTren AceVarWinnieHaloAromasin
1262.5mg262.5mg262.5mg602025mg
2262.5mg262.5mg262.5mg6020
3262.5mg350mg350mg604025mg
4262.5mg350mg350mg604025mg
5262.5mg437.5mg437.5mg8040
6262.5 437.5mg437.5mg806025mg
7262.5525mg525mg8060525mg525mg
8300mg525mg210mg50-75mg
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Im gonna mention this here in case someone finds this info helpful. Im 2 and something weeks out and i dropped test a few days ago. Its day 5 without test and im only with mast and tren for injects and im feeling AMAZING. Im not feeling tired, (apart from diet tiredness,if that makes sence) not snappy like i was before,no mood swings and water weight is starting to clear from my body. I see visual changes daily and im in a constant euphoric mood. Also i started injecting ED. Now, i dont know if its tren and test not antagonizing themselves, or if its the ED shots that give me more blood level stability but i feel amazing.im not taking any aromasin or caber either and bloodwork shows up pretty stable. Oh and so far no libido issues ;) although misses knows that 3 weeks out sex is out of the question. If u put asa akira next to a slice of pizza in front of me i guarantee you i wont bat an eye as i devour that pizza lol. Misses also passed another 5 preps with me, and helps me with the shots and dosages and bloodwork (shes a doc) and a keeper! Regardless, im just mentioning this now that my prep is almost done, since it was my first tren experience and i was very, very sceptical going into it. Overall great experience during my cycle apart from some night sweats and being slightly snappier. My coworkers didnt notice me becoming a giant asshole as well. I wasnt doing crazy doses but i know its more than a tren beginner should do, and believe me if it wasnt for a competition i would definitely wait out longer before i introduced tren to my cycles(this is for the rushy marys out there) stay safe guys, im not here often because work load increased but my pre show vacation start in 2 days and im super stoked to be chilled and only focused on prep!

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Weight sits comfy on 80kgs and getting leaner. Im seeing visual changes daily. Added clen a week ago and upped the cardio from 45mins to 60 every day.

Dropping test today gonna stay only with mast and tren as ed shots. 4 days out ill cut the tren and 1 day out ill cut mast unless i have lumps from excess pinning. So far my body adjusted and i dont have any new lumps so ill see how it goes i guess. Ill drop winnie and var 10 days out and stay with 10 mg of halo plus proviron and aromasin or letrozol. No diuretics will be used, no t3-t4 was used either during the prep. Ill get some new pics soon Smile

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Will do!

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banecentral6996's picture

Why are you cutting the orals instead of running them up until?

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My aromasin atm is 12.5 twice a week. I run 0.5 caber once a week as well. Now for orals im cutting them because my stomach gets upset and i hold some water. I will keep proviron, halotestin and the anti es for last week. I also found that even orals can make u hold some water. Ill pin masteron till thursday or friday and tren till tuesday. Show is on saturday.

banecentral6996's picture

What's your Aromasin dose? Why don't you try daily dosing it? Aromasin doesn't have a huge half life, so you'd likely get more stabilized blood levels going this route. 100mg of Proviron along with the Mast seems like a lot to me, but I've never posed on stage, so...Letro as a last resort only. You should have no problem being dry.

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Entering week 3 now. All is going on schedule. I had some estrogen imbalances in the bloodwork the past week but the culprit was tren skewing the results. I foolishly took 2 aromasins though back to back to combat the perceived elevated estro and i ended up crushing them.

I remembered reading here that some reported tren skewing the bloods so i digged and found that ECLIA blood on e2 is flawed when on tren so i think im good now. I didnt take an AI for the past 3 days but ill start it tomorrow and im gonna reduce aromasin to 0.5 eod and if need be ill make it 0.5 e2d. Ill see how i feel.

I started to get night sweats but i get a solid 6hr of sleep. Weight is at 81-82kgs(fasted) but it fluctuates throughout the week. Cardio was upped from 30 mins to 35 mins and from 4/7 days per week to 5/7(i adjust cardio every week or every two weeks). The only thing i noticed and its actually driving me nuts is that my right eye is twitching throughout the day and its quite annoying (the twitch isnt obvious most of the times its just a dotted twitch for a few seconds)

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Btw i appreciate ur feedback and im open for suggestions, but i dont like last minute changes. Maybe it was my bad because i didnt post my cycle before hand Smile

Makwa's picture

Why are you cutting orals the last week? I would be dropping the injections and keeping the orals in there instead. One bad injection that last week could ruin you and no matter how good of an injection there is still some inflammation at the injection point that will blur the physique. Don't chance and just run orals last week or at least stop pinning a few days out from show.

I would cut the test in half or at least to the point where you don't need an ai. Probably won't need any caber if you keep the estro low enough.

What is the point of the nolva for final week? Don't see any purpose for it.

No need to be running winnie for 6 wks. I would drop it altogether or just run it that final week with the halo.

Not sure about your sodium/water/carb strategy but if works for you then roll with it.

8 wks is a pretty short time frame to get down to 5%. No way I could do it without burning up a ton of muscle.

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Im cutting orals because they upset my stomach and an upset stomach apart from distention, means some water retention. The injections are only going to be mast on last week. Im cutting tren 4 days out. The only oral i will hava apart from estro blockers and caber is gonna be halo on 30mgs per day taken with meals. As far as test i wanted to cut it early to clear everything up and relax abit with pins as well. Aromasin nolva (possibly throw letro in the mix) and caber are there to crush estro.
This is a contest prep cycle, i was on an off season/ recomp cycle the previous 12 weeks as well, so its a total of 20 weeks tbh. But thats another story Smile

Im on 6 weeks out atm and feeing great. Some tren sweats and feeling more jumpy in the road but its going smooth. I got a fast metabolism and im on keto so i ll prolly get dialed pretty good Smile ill prolly post some before after on next week.

The main point about crushing estro and cutting everything apart from mast halo and proviron is to get as crisp and dry as possible. I dont respond well to diuretics even mild ones and i dont want to risk it.

Dr.BroScience's picture

Are you positive it is exactly 262.5 mgs? Because God forbid if it is 261 or 253.3.....all hell is going to break loose on this one. Seriously now, Var + Winny = why? Var trumped by the much stronger winny all day.

Next, First time using tren but you are mixing it with 4 to 5 other compounds not including your AI support. Why not run tren with just test to see how your body reacts? And again running powerful tren with mild var is counterintuitive. Time to reevaluate your planned protocol and head back to the drawing board.

Tgomilk's picture

I like this line of thinking. Simplify this cycle. 125-250mg test, 500mg tren, keep aromasin at 25mg, run the winny, finish with Halo.

I think you'll be surprised in how drastic the results of your first review of tren will be.

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Why is tren such a taboo topic ? I had cycles with all the previous compounts and i experimented until i found my sweet spot a lot. Im fortunate enough to have the luxury to get pharma grade stuff when applicable and i do frequent blood tests (from 2-4 times a month) depending the results and what needs adjusting.Also im prepping man, and i wanna try tren. I threw ace in just in case i need to quit it, and as u can see im tapering it up. And those aint crazy doses anw.
So can i justify the removal of var? And how can i go back to the drawing board if im already 6 weeks out deep? I mean i appreciate the advice but unless i got bad sides or bloods i dont see a reason to drop anything in a mix that is proven for me.

Dr.BroScience's picture

Who ever said tren is "taboo" ?

Second, you are quite defensive. Your response indicated you posted your cycle as you were running it all for the sole reason to look for a co-signer.

And 8 week run of anything is never enough. Your timing, compounds, dosages is not well thought through. Certainly not optimal.

Why bother posting if you are content to follow your own way regardless?

Tgomilk's picture

Going to be dry as a motherfucker. Kinda short, why not go for 12 weeks with similar protocol?

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Thats the plan brother! Well i was for 4months before the prep cycle on test e eq and tbol kicker tbh Blum 3 if i could change something was to possibly throw npp in the mix on off season and then swap it for primo and keep it till the end. I guess next cycle Blum 3
I could go tren enan and swap to ace but since im popping my cherrie on tren,should be on ace to clear faster in case something goes wrong. So far so good though. I do frequent blood tests as well so i try and be on top of everything

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Tren is honestly nothing like the horror stories you hear about. I've had nothing but positive experiences. Oral tren and tren e. It definitely did play a big part in why my natural levels are so low now. If you plan to continue with this lifestyle long-term, I see no issue with running tren in a longer cycle. The results you will see from reviewing tren will be longer lasting and "easier to keep".

I like the idea of npp and then switching to primo for sure. Hindsight 20/20. I think you'll be very pleased with the quick tren a run.

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hopefully all will go well.

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