+ 1 Considering Winter EBC Could Use Some Help Planning Bulk Cycle
Well Ace, you suggested that I enter the Winter EBC and I'm considering it. It's time to start pissing off the wife because I'm spending all my spare time on this site, so here's a bit about me. I just finished a cycle that seriously leaned me out, now I want to bulk up. I started my TRT today, not at the 200mg a month the doc prescribed, but at 300mg/week. I plan on running like that for a couple of weeks until I'm ready to ramp up my cycle. My goal is to try to get up to about 210-215. I really need to build up these spaghetti arms and chicken legs of mine (they're pretty pathetic just building my legs should add an easy 10 lbs). I couldn't really work them like I wanted to last cycle because of a botched vasectomy. I'm still not completely back to normal, but I can do a lower body workout without pain now. I'm a classic "hard gainer", I have a hard time force feeding myself all day, and when I do gain, it's usually in all the wrong spots. Oh yeah, and I'm a short ester junkie. I considered planning the entire cycle with short esters but didn't because I didn't know if that would be better or not. I also considered sust, (I have some Hulk Classic Blend that I'm dying to try out) I'm still undecided, but that's why I'm posting here. Any ideas or opinions would be great.
I guess from here I can start with my stats.
6'0"
182lbs
39 years old (will be 40 by the end of EBC)
BF IDK would guess maybe 12 or 13%, but my scales say 22%, I don't think they're very accurate (at least I hope not).
Past experience:
I played around with a couple of cycles (if you want to call them that) when I was much younger and much dumber. Never followed proper protocol because I didn't know there was any. (That was way before Eroids existed and all I knew was "Here man, take 1 cc of this, this, and this twice a week".) I've ran deca (again not knowing what I was doing) for about 5 weeks, so I'll say no experience there really either. My last cycle was a Test/EQ cycle with Mast thrown in at the end and a prop kickstart and taper, and the only cycle I feel I've ever followed protocol on properly. I'm probably still not ready for a 19-Nor run, but hell, I'm not getting any younger and experience is the best teacher.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Test Prop | NPP | Prami | Arimidex | HGH "Viptropin" | Anadrol | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | .25 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||
| 2 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||
| 3 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||
| 4 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||
| 5 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||
| 6 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | |||
| 7 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | ..5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | ||
| 8 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | ||
| 9 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | ||
| 10 | 800mg | 150mg EOD | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | ||
| 11 | 800mg | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | |||
| 12 | 800mg | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | 50mg/day | |||
| 13 | TRT Dose 600mg | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||||
| 14 | Trt Dose 400mg | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||||
| 15 | TRT Dose 300mg | .5 ED | .5 EOD | 3-4 iu daily | ||||
| 16 | .25ED | .5 EOD | 2 iu daily | |||||
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Anonyour gonna get sum great gains.... kill those legs man it will be a noticeable differance... you dont have squirrel nutz dude it takes balls to enter the EBC.... props to you...
Thanks man. Hopefully I won't embarrass myself too badly
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AnonDrop the Deca. Run NPP for the 10wks. Bump the dose up to 150mg eod. That should be plenty. 10wks of Deca isn't going to accomplish what I know You want out of this cycle. Throw in anadrol to this thing. Drol first four weeks. Rest four and finish with another four. If pure mass is what u want that should do it. TRT cruise after cycle and ur golden.
You're going to lose some gains bro. With anadrol that always happens. So stay in the kitchen hardcore after ur blast. The HGH will also help keep some gains. Don't worry about running the Prami too long. Run it at least 4wks after ur blast. Also don't bother coming off if u are on TRT. If anything on the weeks you have zero AAS listed I'd taper down from 800mg dose so ur not dropping ur levels off of a cliff.
Thanks for the input. I tweaked my cycle by your suggestions. Does it look about right to you now? I left out the Drol because I wouldn't have time to get it here before I start my cycle.
AnonLooks good. I like the set up. I really think an oral would do u good bro. Do u have anything on hand?
Some modest folks may say you already have a prop kicker and a short ester nandrolone but really the synergy between drol/dbol and nandrolone is legendary. That's just my experience with it. If u need a Src for emergencies and a no minimum hit me up.
I currently have Anadrol on hand (120ct 25mg Big D) but was going to wait till week 7 to run it. 1st scheduled pin is tomorrow. I sent you a FR, thanks.
AnonAwesome bro. Best of luck man. FR accepted
Ace VenturaNo oral? Throw some anadrol up in this biatch!
hunteron20sIm thinking I woukd swap the decca for eq decca can add a bloat look compared to eq ..and maybe lower the test to 600mg a week ..just a thought .but wverybody is different and some dont take to eq but if you do it can add vascular bad ass plus help you recover faster due to the oxygen to blood ..but your stack is a bulker no doudt either way you choose .you will blow up nicely bro...+1
Thanks. I ran EQ last cycle and I want to switch it up. Plus I'm getting to be an old fucker and my shoulders are shot. I want to see if this deca helps out with those rusty joints.
Cycle looks great. I'm planning the exact same cycle minus the NPP kicker but I'm adding TBol in its place.
I'll be checkin up on you guy with your EBC results
I considered Tbol or Dbol the first 5 or 6 weeks, but I don't want a bunch of water bloat. Who knows, I may change my mind. What is this GHRP that you speak of?
Eq will help you eat more. Leg press the shit outta weights that makes me build size fast. My legs barely fit in my pants now. I cannot squat heavy cause of my knees. 300mg w of eq probably be enough to up your appetite.
I hear GHRP-6 is the way to go now if appetite is an issue
Yes honestly I'm not the sharpest on cycle advice yet just know a lot of people throw eq in on bulks cause of appetite increase. So please don't take my advice as gospel. Plus I wouldn't think that i would want to add another compound to the cycle that you have laid out.
What's this you say?
The peptide GHRP-6. Cheap, has from what I read and what niggas tell me is really great for for some munchies feeling.
Lol. So does this kush that I have. Thanks, I'll read up on it.
Shit my cousin burned me with an O of this herb that serious had my eating in my sleep 0_o haha
It would, but wouldn't it be kind of a waste of EQ since the cycle is only planned 12 weeks? Those EQ munchies wouldn't kick in till about week 8.
ClassyChassisRemembering the 5 half-life bit, and the half-life of Deca probably is about 15 days. So it will be about 10 wks before you would be considered "clear" of the Deca. At 500mg/wk the steady-state amount will get pretty high, so either stop sooner (10 weeks, and maybe taper with npp) or run ancillaries longer.
I like tapers, I could taper with prop also then? How long would you recommend that I run the prami? Will .25 mg be enough at that point?
ClassyChassisAs far as tapering with the prop, I would. The end is just as important as the beginning, though being on trt does change things a bit, as you are not trying to recover.
As for the Deca, I don't feel like going through the calcs, but with a 15 day Half-life, @ 500mg/wk, you're going to reach a steady-state well over 2g. So after a month, you'd be @ 500mg +, and after 6wks, at least 250mg. So you have to take it into account for 6-8 wks, I'd say.
As for the prami, it's going to mess up your dopamine if you run it too long. My understanding is that progesterone/prolactin is estrogen dependent, so control estrogen and you control prolactin. I've never used anything but an AI with Tren and Deca both and I have never had any gyno issues. So I wouldn't necessarily run the prami any longer, but definitely the aromasin for at least 6 wks after the last Deca pin.