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Bulk the hell up. Lean Bulk

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

I will be happy with 15 pounds of lean muscle.

WeekTestosterone EnanthateTren EEqHghSlinAnavarCaberArimidex
1250mg400mg500mg5iu10iu.51mg eod
2250mg400mg500mg5iu10iu.51mg eod
3250mg400mg500mg5iu10iu.51mg eod
4250mg400mg500mg5iu10iu.51mg eod
5250mg400mg500mg5iu.51mg eod
6250mg400mg500mg5iu.51mg eod
7250mg400mg500mg5iu12iu.51mg eod
8250mg400mg500mg5iu12iu.51mg eod
9250mg400mg500mg5iu12iu.51mg eod
10250mg400mg500mg5iu12iu.51mg eod
11250mg500mg5iu1mg eod
12250mg500mg5iu60mg1mg eod
13250mg500mg5iu60mg1mg eod
14250mg500mg5iu60mg1mg eod
15250mg500mg5iu60mg1mg eod
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j223's picture

test dose way to low, why would you only use 250mg of the best muscle builder on earth?
eq 500mg is pretty low
anavar at 4 weeks is a waste
adex would be better 0.5mg ed
caber needs to continue for a few more weeks
won't comment on slin dose

levelup's picture

good points there...i think jrock could push test to around 300 and still be good here...id say bump the eq to 700. ill comment on the slin protocol without going into too much detail here...its a much safer approach going 4 weeks on 4 weeks off to keep normal function. each time you start a round of slin start at the same low dose then bump up slowly

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j223's picture

I agree with the eq, if pure mass gains are wanted then I'd up test much higher but that's just me. About the slin the user should know how much he needs to eat from each dose. I prefer humulinR by the way. Knowing how the endocrine system and pancreas work, helps when it comes to being concerned about time on time off. The pancreas does not know if you inject insulin or not. All the pancreas does is release insulin when blood sugar gets high, and release glucagon when it gets low. Though normal secreted glucagon usually isn't fast acting enough to counter injected insulin. What I'm getting at is as long as the pancreas isn't permanently suppressed for long periods of time, there should be no concern. The pancreas releases insulin all day long every day in spurts. Generally more is released after meals. But it's constant, insulin is secreted even during sleep. As long as the pancreas naturally releases multiple times a day then there are no concerns. If hes only planning on doing 10iu per day that's hardly anything.
1. if the 10iu dose is split up then the body will continue to secrete MORE insulin even on top of it because the pancreas senses when blood sugar is high.
2. if the 10iu dose is all at once, then the pancreas is STILL not being suppressed because injected slin only lasts a few hours up to 8. There are 24 hours in a day so once a day isn't enough to suppress. Meaning you could inject 10iu once a day daily every single day for 3 years straight then quit dosing insulin and the pancreas will continue to release normally and it would resume and function completely perfect without any concerns.

50iu per day is equivalent to the average amount a normal healthy person secretes daily.
Insulin is a hormone yes, but there is no "suppression" because it gets released naturally all day long as long as blood glucose levels are high. Even if blood glucose levels remain low all day insulin is still secreted but in smaller amounts. The only way to completely shut down the pancreas of insulin secretion would to dose insulin in doses much over 40iu per day, BUT that needs to cover the full 24 hours or the pancreas will remain secreting insulin.

A bodybuilder could inject 120iu slin per day and as long as he does it and still leaves enough time in each day for the body to naturally secrete then the pancreas will not shut down.
In other words the 4 week gap is unnecessary. Its a myth/broscience that some steroid users made up because they thought the pancreas works like the pituitary. The pituitary will NOT release growth hormone when superhuman levels are present. It gets shutdown afterwards for a period of time because the hypothalmus told it to stop. The body is good at balancing out. Testosterone is the same, the pituitary will not release much testosterone at all if a user is injecting a gram a week for 12 weeks, the pituitary will take up to 12 OR MORE weeks to normalize. This is because it was shutdown all day long continually for months at a time. Also testosterone is not a life or death hormone, a person can live without a high level of testosterone.
A person will die or become very ill and destruct itself if insulin is not produced so the pancreas will not "shut down" this is because it is not controlled by the hypothalmus.

A person with type1 diabetes has an autoimmune disease and is completely unable to produce or secrete insulin. Type 2 diabetes is able to produce insulin but either A. not enough is produced, or B. insulin receptors are nonresponsive to insulin protein. If there is anything to be concerned about it's insulin resistance. So that is really the main thing to watch out for. 10iu (even if he injected it daily nonstop for a year) isn't enough to cause resistance because the body produces much more than that naturally, so receptors will accept the ligands without even knowing you injected. Of course a person injecting 100iu a day needs to be more careful as to not develop insulin resistance. Also a person who is using enough insulin that it covers most of the 24 hour day continuously, needs to watch out as well.

levelup's picture

I understand what you were saying but my point in cycling insulin is to regain sensitivity, maybe I stated it wrong by saying keep function but that was my intention

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j223's picture

That's true! For sure.

bigjrock's picture

You are definitely right about it should be 4 on 4 off with the slin. I am just trying to have as much slin as possible active during the 10 weeks of tren

j223's picture

for me it's immediate (same day). Even from day one you get the muscle fullness from it if you eat enough carbs.

As far as muscle gains are concerned you won't put slabs of mass on with just slin. A high dose of test, plus an anabolic and HGH are necessary. But diet is most important. You need TONS of amino acids and protein available if you want mass gains from slin. 400g per day protein minimum for slin mass gains. If you are just using for the pumps then consume high carbs and creatine. Slin works from from day one. You can die within a couple hours after every single injection if you do not eat anything. Be careful.

levelup's picture

well remember that you are still gonna have some tren e in your system thru week 12 so you are fine there...if you are worried about the fat gain ive been running cjc w/o dac and ghrp-2 with mine and its been keeping me lean

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bigjrock's picture

I'mnot worried about fat. i can loose fat really easily. at the moment I'm also on cjc and ghrp. i usually run that constantly.

bigjrock's picture

Well i wanted to keep my test lower than tren and i will extend the var to 6 weeks at 75mg. the tabs i have of arimidex are 1mg and i can't split them