+ 1 BD SUPPLEMENT ONLY CYCLE
Stats:
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 170lbs
Body fat: 8%
Diet:
5 meals a day- well balanced Proteins/carbs/fats
Second and Forth meal will just be a protein shake with 30g of protein... I have been to a nutritionist and have been advised that your liver can only hand a little over 25g of protein and the rest goes to waste... So with my meals and everything my plan is just to spread out my protein intake as much as possible to maximize my bodies absorbtion. I am not trying to bulk but to simply grow and add lean quality muscle to my physique. I compete at a certain weight not professionally more for fun so I know my weight should be higher and blah blah blah since Ive done AAS before but like I said I have my reasons please don't criticize I am on here to learn and am asking for you, the eroids community for help!
Workout Plan:
I lift weights 4-5 days a week and run a couple miles 3 days a week.
Lifting schedule- I base my workouts on super sets and go back and forth weekly between two different theorys I have picked up from trainers over my years in the gym.
For instance:
Day 1: Chest and biceps
Day 2: Shoulders, traps, and abs
Day 3: Triceps and Back
Day 4: Cardio and abs or some type of cross training ex. wrestling or MMA
Day 5: start all over with day 1
The thinking here is that by seperating Chest/triceps (push exercises) and Biceps/Back (pull exercises) I am able to work the individual muscles harder because when you work out back you are also working out biceps... When I'm done with my back workouts my biceps are already so pumped that I am not able to lift as heavy of a weight or work out the muscle as hard as if I were to work out the muscle after I do a Bicep workout. The same reasoning for doing triceps and back on the same day.
The other routine is more typical:
Day 1: chest/triceps
you get the point lol I'm interested to see what everyone thinks of this... A long time friend and expierenced trainer I know taught me this concept I stated above and I have seen great results from it...Of course everyone has different opinions on this though for multiple reasons the main one being different things work for different people... I mix in cardio and other cross training(wrestling/mma) with the above workout schedule. I am here to learn so I appreciate any and all input, positive or negative I will not be offended! Thanks for your time guys and I will be posting before pics soon!
Gear:
Matrix T400 (350mg/ml Enanthate/50mg/ml Propionate)
Matrix Liquid Anavar (30mg/ml)
Nolvadex 20mg/ml
Clomid 35mg/ml
Arimidex 1mg/ml
| Week | T400 (Test E 350mg/Test P 50mg) | Anavar | Arimidex | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | ||||
| 2 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | ||||
| 3 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | ||||
| 4 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 0.5mg EOD | |||
| 5 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 0.5mg EOD | |||
| 6 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 7 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 8 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 9 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 10 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 11 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 12 | 400mg (0.5cc's M/TH) | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 13 | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | |||
| 14 | 60mg ED | 0.5mg EOD | |||
| 15 | 40mg ED | 100mg ED | |||
| 16 | 40mg ED | 100mg ED | |||
| 17 | 20mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
| 20mg ED | 50mg ED |
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From studies that I have read Dbol at a dose of 100mg ED decreased plasma testosterone levels by 40% ...plasma GH up 1/3 ..FSH down 80% ... LH down 1/3 ... I would be running only 10% of that dose during my pct this along with an aggressive pct and I think its fair to draw a conclusion that the dbol would not be detrimental to the overall goal of restoring normal test production... This made made me curious as to what you guys think about this idea so I posted this cycle log asking for your opinions... I didnt go into this blind because I didnt want to make a fool out of myself I posted this to learn and hopefully benefit from it. I wanted to know if using the dbol would be beneficial for myself so I set out for answers... Yes my diet could use some evaluation I am always trying to learn more and apply everything I can .. I know my diet isnt perfect but it has worked for me in the past... I probably could get to 200 naturally but due to the competing I do I have to stay within a certain weight... It's not like I do anything professionally but still I do it for fun and would prefer to compete at a certain weight... The amount I train and do cardio makes it hard to gain weight but I have been able to reach 190 with 6% BF which is more than a happy weight for me... anything more than that I can feel it in my knees when I run and when I compete I am not as quick on my feet. I could keep going on and on about reasons and bs but i dont want to waste your time ... bottom line I was looking to see if the research I have done on dbol during pct is valid or if anyone had any expierence in attempting this and if they had good or bad results ... I respect your opinion in high regard sir but there are two sides to this argument and I just wanted to get opinions from people that I realize are more educated than I am and may know things I do not.
Well I don't think being a guinea pig for it is a good idea after some careful thought. Its not like your Jay cutler looking for that final edge to cement your legacy. Your Ksquared, and experimenting with your body for my amusement isn't cool. Sorry I was weak and stupid before.
no worries man ... thank you for saying something though
Nothing wrong at all with picking your weight class and being the best in that group at all. Dbol doesn't fit anywhere into pct. Its a huge mistake or trust me .....i woyldnt be here warning you. It's your body so learn the right way or by the school of hard knocks. Thats up to you.
I trust you judgement and respect your opinion just like I have been saying the whole time lol ... I appreciate you taking the time to talk all this out with me like I said this is just a learning process and when I read the article about dbol like that I set out to find out if there was any validity to it... So me posting this cycle log for me was a success because you guys were able to steer me in the right decision and I am happy you did... I don't want to learn the hard way this log was me taking measures to avoid that haha .. Thanks for being patient guys! im going to lift and when I get back Ill post up a revised cycle log thanks to all you! Thanks again... be easy man
Yessir.. We get excited/aggro sometimes. Typically we see a guy with Hella potential and try n help and dudes rather argue tooth n nail. I learned the hard way since we had noone to correct us. If it would work for ya....id surely give ya clear directions. Sorry to bark
let me know what you think I revised the cycle log... open to suggestions was also wondering I know I should wait 2 weeks for the test E to clear my system before starting my pct ... during that two week period should I be doing anything? maybe 10mg nolvadex ED? and maybe now that i revised my cycle you can take away that thumbs down XP haha
Ai runs til pct. Keeps estro down.
Good deal ... I thought about that too but I wasnt sure .. thank you man! So i have a 20ml bottle of the t400 do you think it would be worth it to front load? Ive read mixed reviews on this helping with the test E to kick in faster... thoughts on this? I mean I can see it being beneficial due to the fact I would get a little more propionate in my system.. I wish I could fit some prop in my budget to just run along with the dose I have the t400 at for the first 3 weeks but I dont so I am just exploring my options. Thanks again for helping out big dawg
Yeah i see that so often in forums it drives me crazy! I'm here to learn man ...I feel yah though man well thanks for learning the hard way for me! lol... I learned at a very young age that its easier to learn from other peoples mistakes ..I have an older brother and I can remember sitting there watching him do something he shouldnt be doing and then seeing the shit he had to deal with as repercussions and i was just like fuckkk that not worth it haha ... Hell yeah I would love the help man! if your willing to help me out thatd be awesome ... I would appreciate the shit out of that lol no pressure though man
If this is at least your 2nd cycle then run anavar last 6 weeks max have an ai on hand adex or aroma and save Nolva for pct along with Clomid. Lower Test p and run it eod.
Oh and don't use the Dbol on this cycle or during PCT.
respect the input! I have letrozole on hand but I am worried about shutting down my estrogen levels to much ... I might pick up so adex so I dont have to worry about this I am just on a tight budget is the issue and I have gathered sufficient information as to the nolvadex being good to run along with these compounds... I do realize a lot of people do not agree with this though and would love any articles or anything advising against this if you have any... I am always trying to learn more and I don't get offended if I get proved completely wrong... Everyones body is different and we all have different reactions to these compunds some better than others and some worse because of this it can get a little confusing as to whats right and whats wrong... I realize at the end of the day we are all on here for the same reason to help eachother. Sorry for rambling on about that I have just seen these threads turn sour real quick when people don't agree lol
Letro for emergency only. Definitely need Adex or Aromasin I like to have both on hand along with letro. Adex will help out if you have water retention also. Make sure you get 300-350mg of protein a day and drink lots of water especially when you start using the Var at least 2 gallons.
dexitrim"I also have BD Dbol 50 mg tabs- I have been reading up on dbol and am curious as to everyones thoughts on using this at a low dose during PCT to maintain results"
The dbol bridge protocol is 5mg/day, so you're going to have a tough time splitting a 50mg tab in ten pieces! Better off just doing a proper PCT.
Valid point... I would like to read any articles you have pulled this from... The more I can pull a conclusion from the better! I respect your opinion but am going to keep digging deeper... I have read multiple accounts that 10mg's a day is a typical protocol for a dbol bridge so i might be able to work it with the 50mg tabs
dexitrimYou're right, it's 10mg/day.
Neither of us are wrong! it is common practice to do 5-10mg a day ...if this topic actually interests you check out the article on steroid.com for dbol... It's very interesting!
dexitrimThat's where I had originally seen this. If you go this route, keep us updated.
Will do! I'm hoping to do blood work through out so I can hopefully give some more insight on this controversial topic! I think it'll be a fun science project XD
wheres your cycle history? you are running a serm as an ai and there is no pct...EDIT: i see the uncle z gear so im assuming you have ran a few cycles before. are you on trt?
edit: I forgot to answer your question about trt ... no I am not on trt currently all natural
I will post a pct refer to my post to USMC if you dont mind because I explained why I havent posted it yet... I understand it isnt the typical protocol but the clinic I used to get my blood work done at advised me that running Nolvadex along with a cycle has been beneficial to their clients from what they have gathered in there results from blood work. I understand the liver toxicity of nolva raises some concern but at only 10mg EOD I think I will be fine but I could be wrong and am open to suggestions. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong hence the reason I am asking for your guys help!
Cycle history: I've typically just ran Test only cycles but have had a little expierence with anavar and winstrol.
The prop tren cycle that was mentioned on the uncle z picture was actually my friend posting from my profile which pisses me off that he did it because i can't delete it... I have run uncle z's products and was happy with the results though.
If you look at my stats you will notice I am not looking to bulk or anything just achieve quality muscle that is maintainable...which I achieved for awhile but for various reasons was knocked off the horse one being an injury and I lost 10lbs and then 3 months later after I had gotten back into working out I was taken out by the Flu and lost another 10lbs... very frustrating but I will get it back slowly but surely.
If your looking for "quality" muscle dont run the dbol,,, run the test E at 500mg a week split dose,, and anavar starting at week 6-12, THATS IT.... If your diet is so badass then youll get great gains again like that.
And i would choose an AI like adex or aromasin NOT nolva, save that shit for pct!
I dont think my diet is that badass I was just trying to say that I think I have learned enough to where I can follow a succesfull diet so that you guys understand that I am not just making the decision to run a cycle and not be in it wholeheartedly ... I understand how important diet is was my only point in telling you guys all that... I am looking for "quality muscle" but I figured at such a low dose of 10mg a day that this goal would still be achieved... Thank you for your input I am going to follow you advice about the adex .. I have read mixed opinions on whether 0.5mg EOD is enough or 1mg EOD at 500mg a week which would you suggest? And during pct should I do 20mg nolva EOD or ED? Thanks for the help big dawg
The whole point of aas in my opinion is when you plateu natty and cant gain shit no more no matter what, YOUR BARELY 21 you have the natty ability to get as strong as u want and get sick body with "quality muscle" that you seek with aas, whats the rush anyways?...take it slow bro this game is a marathon not a sprint like everybody says... hit that 200lbs mark natty AT LEAST and then hit the juice if you cant wait, i seen your pic bro you got alot of potential but you just cant think aas is gonna get to your goal when your barely 21 and still have natty test. Thats my honest opinion bro.
(This is how you run a proper Pct and AI.)
Standard pct is:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Thats clomid everyday for weeks @ 100mg then @ 50mg for the last 2 weeks
Same goes for nolva "40/40-20/20"
Ai- ADEX- start at week 3 @ .25mg EOD,if nips get sore @ .25 ED, if still sore @ .50 EOD, still sore @ .50 ED!
Your 100% correct about the plateau thing and in the past thats the only time I ran it ... I compete (for fun) but I like to stay within a certain weight ... with all the cardio and training I do it is hard to add weight on .. I was at 190 and 6% BF but it took some cycling to get there ... I stopped at that weight and maintained it for awhile but for various had to stop training.. lost 10lbs blah blah blah got the flu another 10lbs I may be doing this cycle at the wrong time but I am just super frustrated because of where i was at ... I feel comfortable running a cycle to get myself back up there because I know I can maintain it ....Right or wrong reasons I will end up running it so I appreciate all your insight man I am taking your advice to heart and I appreciate all your help ,... I think I've had enough negative feed back to drop the dbol haha I just wanted to see what you guys thought and I think its a no brainer and im just guna drop the dbol lol
Massive is right bro, but you're young and you're gonna do what you wanna do and no one can stop you from doing what you want. Here's the thing though, at your age, you do not need AAS to gain, just discipline. If you decide to run a cycle, just run the T400 you have at the dose you purposed, have your AI(adex or aromasin) incase of high estro, and follow the PCT protocol Massive stated. Get bloods done before, during, and after cycle, this will help you map out future cycles. Good luck bro, and dont start til you have everything you need.
well you are running alot of orals at second glance. Just be careful of liver toxicity. I like Animal Pak because it has a live cleanse in it with all the other support
I have used there product before as well and was very happy... good looks my man! Might have to squeeze that into my budget... I am currently taking supplements and will be taking them through out my cycle because I was concerned about this as well. I have a Liver guard by muscleceuticals though which has a lot of good things in it check it out! as well as fish oil... b vitamins and a multi vitamin.