6 month (cut! cut! cut! and stack) cycle
31yo
5'10"
247lb
21% BF
It seems like a lot but I want to see RESULTS!
Week one starts Sunday, March 10th, 2013
My goal is: I want to shred my frame and rebuild with lean, slow twitch muscle while keeping a healthy libido. Optimally I'd get to 210-215lb with 7-8 percent BF
This is a culmination of previous cycles and a ton of research online.
I'd like to know if I'm stacking these in the right order. Will I see better results if I change the protocol?
My diet is going to be good but I'm not a nazi about it. I want to stay lean and green. High in protein/low carb/low fat. I do have a nutritionist who will be making me 3x meals a day. I need to add 2 snacks in there (prob Special K bars).
Cardio: 1 hour morning ED
30 min on lift days
Sunday rest
Weight training: TRX class Tues/Thursday
Full Body Mon/wen
Legs Fri
| Week | Test Propinate | Pregnyl | HGH | Clomid/Nolva | Unleashed | Forma Stanzol | Aromasin | T-4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 2 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 3 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 4 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 5 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 6 | 4iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 7 | 5IU ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 8 | 150mg EOD | 5IU ED | 12.5 mg EOD | 100MG ED | ||||
| 9 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250 mg | 5IU ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 10 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250mg | 5IU ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 11 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250mg | 5IU ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 12 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250mg | 5iu ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 13 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250mg | 5iu ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 14 | 150mg EOD | 2x250mg | 5iu ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 15 | 150mg EOD | 2x 250mg | 5iu ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 16 | 150mg EOD | 2x250IU | 5iu ED | 12.5mg EOD | 100MG ED | |||
| 17 | 2x 500IU | 5iu ED | 100/20mg ED | 2x ED | 100MG ED | |||
| 18 | 5iu ED | 50/20mg ED | ED | 2x ED | 100MG ED | |||
| 19 | 5iu ED | 50/20mg ED | ED | 2x ED | 100MG ED | |||
| 20 | 5iu ED | 25/20mg ED | ED | 2x ED | 100MG ED | |||
| 21 | 5iu ED | 25/20mg ED | ED | 2x ED | 100MG ED | |||
| 22 | 5iu ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 23 | 5IU ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 24 | 5IU ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 25 | 5IU ED | 100MG ED | ||||||
| 26 | 5IU ED | 100MG ED |
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safetyfirst21Don't start off at 4iu right away, start with 2iu. You don't know how the sides are for you.
safetyfirst21Have you ever ran Helios? I have. Your doses don't look good to me.
Chaz32621Well thats alot of crap, why not run dnp instead?? It cuts hella fat off
Whats a lot of crap
safetyfirst21All those compounds he means, that's a lot of shit thrown together. T4 is measured in mcg. T3 is stronger, if you wanna go the thyroid route.
I thought he was saying that diet and training in check first was a lot of crap lol..... the cycle. yes its a lot of .......
You would see so much more out of all these compounds if you just ate right and trained heavy for six months to a year before even thinking of running anything. Im just saying... I was in pretty damn good shape before I ever took a look at gear.... I think you would be suprised what you could accomplish natty... IMHO
How about this?
months 1-3 nothing but diet and cardio and HGH
months 4-6 Test E 500mg 12 weeks + 60mg per day anavar for 8 weeks.
no need for all this garbage compounds and fat burner pills junk. just set up a diet and keep it simple.
if your "diet is good" you don't need all this crap
Wow, that really seems like too much shit to be running man. You might end up fucking your system up. Before starting anything I'd suggest concentrating on cardio and diet and drop your BF. Also, if you're not going to adhere to a good cycling diet then you're just wasting your money. There is too much room for error with all these compounds you’re putting into your system. Spend that time working on your diet then just run a simple cycle.
If you look...it is a simple cycle with a simple PCT and a very basic SARMs stack as a bridge. Everything else is OTC supplements.
My diet is good. My meaning was I'm not eating an apple at exactly 10:30am.
My schedule varies..so I'm spreading 5x meals over the course of a day and I have a nutritionist making 3x of them for me.
safetyfirst21If you listen...we're trying to help.
Perhaps there is something wrong with my computer, but there are so many components to your cycle, the table is running into banners on the right side of the screen and I can’t make out what they are. Again, it just seems a little excessive. If you want to lean out and bulk up I'd still suggest getting (keeping) your diet in check, drop your BF, then depending on your cycle experience and experience level, find one that’s simple and best suited for you.
What # cycle is this for you?
6th but I also cruised for awhile too (for about a year).
Here's the basic nut:
It's 3 months of cutting, dieting and cardio with HGH/T4 combo and various thermogenics taken at different times but never at the same time (gw5016/alcair) and (Helios/keto) and phentermine.
Then a 12 week test cycle...
Then the actual cycle only consists of:
Continued HGH/T4
Test prop 150mg EOD
Test TNE 75-100mg before big lifts and dates
Winny 40mg ED
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
HCG 500IU weeks 1-8
Anavar weeks 4-8 to help harden gains
And a pct of clomid and maybe Nolva just in case
Everything else is supplements with milk
thistle and natural test boosters and stuff to protect my liver, blood pressure, etc etc.
Now that you can see it...what do you think?
Too many thermogenics?
I don't mess with HGH, and I've never been a fan of thermos (I'm actually at the other end of the spectrum, hard gainer). So my opinion there would be a little biased. I still think you should just spend some time focused on your diet and cardio for now. If you've enlisted the help if a dietitian, it shouldn’t be that difficult.
As for PCT, I don’t think Nolva should be a “maybe”.
Clomid is the same thing as far as I can find...never used Nolva before as a PCT....just clomid and an HCG blast and it's worked fine (of course I've also included vitamin products promoting PCT). I picked up some Nolva for this cycle but I'm not entirely convinced based on my experience that it'll make much difference. Again, I get labs done constantly...I keep track of this shit. I even do fertility tests lol.
safetyfirst21Yeah, its comments like this that make me think you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Clomid is not the same thing. Just a quick search here http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-defined . I almost ran clomid only on my first cycle, but read into more on this site as well as many others and they both have unique beneficial responses for PCT.
Keep in mind that just because you reacted one way during past cycles does not mean it will be the same in the future.
But it sounds like you're pretty set on what you've posted. Best of luck.
I figured you would likely get flamed. I am no expert on AAS or HGH but I would think you would at least spend several months training, get some muscle underneath and lose some of that fat. To say you are at 21% @ 247lbs and 5'10 is tough to believe bro. You can do this but please slow down and do it right.
safetyfirst21Yeah, thats more than 21%
Are you saying based on the photos it's tough to believe my BF is that high?
safetyfirst21lol
Using my own BF% , height and weight and comparing the two. Maybe your calipers are broken?
I appreciate that. I use an electronic scale..maybe it's broken. What do you mean by "flaming"?
I meant that after reading all of your stats and the diet comments I knew the crowd was going to be "less than supportive". Flamed if you will. But that is also because everyone cares and wants you to succeed.
Your avatar pic. When was that?
10 months ago :( I've been a lazy boy
Ha, I guess so. At least you know what you need to get back to.
Flamed?
And YES, you do need to be a nazi about your diet. First!
what on earth is all this crap?!
you should list your cycle experience...
and i am sure that you would get great results running something much more simple if your diet is in check