+ 1 10 Week Cutting Cycle
Weight: 82KG.
Body Fat: 12%+.
Diet: 7 meals per day, < 2000 cals. 40% carb, 35 protein, 25 fat.
Training: 5-6 days per week.
Cardio: 1 x 20 min HIIT session per day.
Cycle History (Be warned, it's terrible. Broscience...)
Cycle 1: 10ml Deca, 10ml Primo - No PCT
Cycle 2: 10ml Sus 250, 10ml Primo - No PCT
Cycle 3: 25ml Stana/Winny - No Test or PCT.
Cycle 4: 20ml Sus 250, Clomid + Nolva. No HCG.
Cycle 5: 10ml Sus 250, 10ml Primo, Clen, 30ml Stana/Winny, Nolva + Clomid + HCG.
Cycle 6: 20ml Sus 250, 10ml Tren A, Clen, Arimidex, Caber, 50mg Stana, Clomid, Nolva, HCG.
Since then I've tightened things up, researched etc. Further help would be ideal please.
I've never done a cutting diet containing anything more than Clen and Winstrol before, I'd love some advice on balancing out my injections, how many mls, mgs etc. Simplifying it would be ideal, the less product I have to use and how frequently is ideal. Go nuts with advice!
Many thanks.
| Week | Testosterone Propionate | Trenbolone Acetate | Masteron Propionate | Anavar | Winstrol | Clenbuterol | Pregnyl | Arimidex | Bromocriptine | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu x2 | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 2 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu x2 | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 3 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 4 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 5 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 6 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | |||
| 7 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 20mcd ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | ||
| 8 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 50mg ed | 50mg ed | 40mcd ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | ||
| 9 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 100mg ed | 100mg ed | 60mcd ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | ||
| 10 | 100mg e2d | 50mg e2d | 100mg e3d | 100mg ed | 100mg ed | 80mcd ed | 250iu e3d | 0.5mg e3d | 1.25mg ed | ||
| 11 | 500iu e3d | 1.25mg ed | 100mg ed | 20mg ed | |||||||
| 12 | 500iu e3d | 1.25mg ed | 100mg ed | 20mg ed | |||||||
| 13 | 100mg ed | 10mg ed | |||||||||
| 14 | 50mg ed | 10mg ed |
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safetyfirst21"A humble man seeking the deeper answers about why the chicken crossed the road." This is hilarious.
safetyfirst21I upped my dose about a week and a half ago with my Ace and Prop. I'm at 150mg Tren Ace/50mg Test Prop eod. If you're able to handle any potential aggression and of course cover the prolactin issues, you'd probably see more out of the run with a higher Tren dose than Test. This may spark a debate on the matter, which I kinda hope it will; as you'll get to hear the benefits from both sides.
safetyfirst21Are you going to be carb depleting, then slowing refilling your glycogen before the show?
safetyfirst21What's going on with the doses exactly? (the Test Propx2, Tren Acex4, etc.) The Arimidex dose is still too high, 0.25mg e3d/e2d should be fine for the Prop, if need be go up to 0.5mg (you shouldn't really have to though). The Caber dose is also too high, 0.25 e3d would be plenty. With these being short ester compounds, you'd be better off with Prami as it kicks in quicker, where Caber takes a little time. Your PCT is a bit high as well. Clomid: 100/100/50/50 Nolva: 20/20/10/10 Aromasin: 6.25/6.25/3.125/3.125. The Aromasin will keep your e2 at bay and allow for a lower Nolva dose, which is ideal considering Nolva can increase prolactin to a degree as well, this is a big help when dealing with 19nors. You may want to consider running your Test a week longer than Tren to allow it to clear out before PCT, this will make for less of a "come down" so to speak. Pumps/cramps will likely still be a problem with the Clen thrown in, but it should be manageable, if not you can just drop it. Start your PCT much sooner, like 1-2 days after last pin, your blood levels won't be very high and will drop quickly after discontinuing these esters.
AnonThank you for your input. I've made some amendments based on your advice. I believe I will have parlodel instead of caber for this cycle. The tabs are 2.5mg each I believe. Any advice on this product? The test I'd pin 100mg 2x per week. I'd do the tren every 2nd day due to the ester, only 50mg shots each time. so 200mg per week. I like clen as it helps dry me out for stage condition, I will tentatively keep this included for now, however my drop it based on how my body reacts to everything that late into the cycle. PCT 1-2 after my comp? / end of cycle? This would be new for me, as I've always been told to wait 1-2 weeks. I've never used Aromasin before, or Prami. Def need them? Shouldn't be hard to source. So far your feedback is great, please keep it coming as I'd like to get this cycle solid and ready to rumble in the next couple of days. Also, any advice for the end of the cycle, prepping for stage condition, the last day to run a certain product, what to take or not take to come up in top condition? I will be doing IFBB in 10 weeks as of this Sunday.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinksafetyfirst21I have no experience with Bromo, and really no info to offer on that one. I'm familiar with Caber from researching it, I'm using Prami now, so I've obviously researched that one. Caber and Prami are easiest for me to get, so I never really looked into Bromo. I'd suggest going up to the top of the page and clicking on the magnifying glass to research it on this site. With Propionate e2d or ed is best. I've known guys to do e3d, though I don't understand it really. It has a longer half life than Acetate, but its still shorter then Phenylpropionate. Eod would be my choice. Blood levels alone would make me choose this, with e3d you would have a nice peak, but one hell of a valley as far as blood levels go. Acetate is best at ed also, however, I'm using Prop and Ace at the moment, and I haven't noticed any difference from doing both ed vs eod. There is a difference as far as blood levels go, but my pin days are my gym days, so I don't mind how my levels are. Peak gym day, valley day off, peak gym day, etc. Yes, you will need some form of support. If you're getting Bromo, then you won't really need Prami, again, I'm not familiar enough with that to give you a dose, I'd look it up, but if you're using it, it's better for you to learn about it, as opposed to me. The Masteron "should" help with your estrogen, however, an AI, at least on hand, would be ideal. Aromasin is far better than Arimidex. Research the difference between Type I and Type II aromatase inhibitors. This will give you a good idea of why Aromasin is so much better. PCT will need to be much sooner than with longer esters. If you stopped everything, you would have no Test, natural or unnatural, in a matter of days. I'm no stage competitor, so my thoughts on getting stage ready are merely opinions based on research and reading what others have done to prepare. If water weight seems to be an issue (some do this whether it is or isn't) consider lowering your Test dose and/or upping your AI and Masteron dose. This will get estrogen to a minimum and force the body to hold as little water as possible. I'd try to plan this cycle to have every compound listed in full effect (still using) when I stepped on stage. Again, refer to the magnifying glass and even the forums. There are a lot of stage competitors on here that will undoubtedly have more knowledge on contest prep than me.
AnonI've made some more amendments on your advice and after reading a couple posts from eroids users on other forums. It's looking a lot more manageable. I haven't added aromasin yet as I haven't got any, this can perhaps be added later.
safetyfirst21Don't use HCG in PCT. Leave around 5-7 days between its last use and the start of PCT, HCG will get the boys firing properly, but it will also suppress your LH production. On the 3rd week of PCT drop the Clomid dose to 50 as well. Aromasin can be used at the end or in the PCT. I'd try to have it before the show to replace the Arimidex. You can use it in PCT with the following doses: Clomid: 100/100/50/50, Nolva: 20/20/10/10, Aromasin: 6.25/6.25/3.125/3.125 (Daily doses for one weeks time).
AnonI've done about 5+ cycles before. 2nd place IFBB Fitness Model, 3rd place Mens Open Under 70kg. I uploaded the above cycle knowing it was incomplete, I was basically showing what products I had in mind and was hoping to get some advice tightening it up. I've made some amendments already to reflect more accurately what I was intending. I've also included PCT. I've done bulking and cutting cycles before, but this level of gear is new to me.
I think you are looking for a heart attack with that cycle! Whats your cycle history brother? Your gonna hurt yourself and wast a lot of money and product for very little gain. We really need to know what your experience is and your stats to help you out brother.
AnonI've updated my cycle log and added more stats. Your advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkWhat did you do for your 5 cycles? Have you ever done tren before?
AnonI have a poor cycle history I'm upset to admit. Pathetic bro science from house mates and sellers who only wanted to make a $. The cycles below are going to shock you...
Cycle 1: 10ml Deca, 10ml Primo - No PCT
Cycle 2: 10ml Sus 250, 10ml Primo - No PCT
Cycle 3: 25ml Stana/Winny - No Test or PCT.
Cycle 4: 20ml Sus 250, Clomid + Nolva. No HCG.
Cycle 5: 10ml Sus 250, 10ml Primo, Clen, 30ml Stana/Winny, Nolva + Clomid + HCG.
Cycle 6: 20ml Sus 250, 10ml Tren A, Clen, Arimidex, Caber, 50mg Stana, Clomid, Nolva, HCG.
As you can see my original cycles were terrible, sure I made some gains but they diminished quickly and my body, especially my balls have been annihilated. My blood is good again, my balls are on the mend... (suggestions on getting them full in size?)
This next cycle will be done 100%, I have access to everything I need now, i know how to pin, train properly, diet, respect my body etc. I balance this by competing professionally. Before I was just an idiot pinning oils with no idea... ffs.
Any advice to get this cycle safe and ready to do a 10 week pre comp cutting / lean bulk would be perfect. also advice on prepping for stage condition etc is ideal.
safetyfirst21If you're worried about your ball size, look into HCG and HMG concurrent use. They will lessen natural LH and FSH, so try to plan around a PCT, or be ready to potentially run another one. Bloods will provide a great idea of what should be done.
safetyfirst21The Caber and Arimidex are way too high. Good luck with the extreme doses of Anavar and Clen together, that won't be fun. You say you didn't post the PCT because its a no brainer, based on whats above, I'd like to see what you have in mind. "I'd love some advice on balancing out my injections, how many mls, mgs etc." Seriously? You have it written in your log right there.
way tooo much gear my friend.. you are 80 kg..
AnonI've updated my cycle log and added more stats. Your advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinksafetyfirst21Yeah, no shit.