Test-e / winny first cycle
Current stats - 26 years old, 6ft, 195lb, 6+ years lifting exp, 11% bf.
Expectations - Roughly 15lb of lean mass. Realistic?
Concerns - First cycle, so my initial reaction to certain compounds may be a cause for concern. Pinning is a slight worry (not due to any lack of research). Also would like some specific oppinions on two subjects; My aromasin dosage and its continued use during pct. My winstrol dosage and its continued usage for 2 weeks after my last test shot, to bridge the pre-pct gap.
I know a lot of people are against winstrol and see it as pointless to a large degree, but the main reason i'm using it is because I have a reliable and cheap source so thought why not. Open to criticism's, thanks.
PCT is starting 2 weeks after last test shot/1 day after last winstrol tab btw, I assumed there could be confusion judging by table layout.
| Week | Testosterone-E | Aromasin | Winstrol | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 8 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | ||
| 12 | 500mg | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | ||
| 13 | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
| 14 | 12.5mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
| 15 | 12.5mg ED | 20mg ED | 100mg ED | ||
| 16 | 12.5mg ED | 20mg ED | 100mg ED | ||
| 17 | 6.25mg ED | 10mg ED | 50mg ED | ||
| 18 | 6.25mg ED | 10mg ED | 50mg ED |
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cdaddy7Nice adjustment....with the Aromasin in PCT u can reduce your Nolvadex down to 20/20/10/10...the reason is bc Aromasin binds hard and strong to the estro making Clomid's job easier....the synergistic effect that Nolvadex and Clomid have on the LH is why we reduced the dosage and not cut it out completely....remember the higher dose of Nolvadex is a contributor to PCT depression
Thanks mate, was just doing some research on it before I also adjusted the nolva dose. Will edit now.
cdaddy7Ur PCT should be more like this below and drop the winny...test only is best for this round...u def will not need that much Aromasin....6.25 or 12.5mg will be enough...u don't want to smash ur estro down too low bc It's bad with nasty sides too
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Clomid doses fine as listed
ty for replies.
aromasin has a half life a little less than a day so I find ED dosages are better but just cut dosage in half or less. I think you will do fine without winstrol, you will get a better idea of how you react to testosterone alone if you run just that this cycle. Why not just save up the winny for your next cycle, that way you know what does what by cycle 3.. If you HAVE to do it then I'd say take off 2 weeks and leave it at 4 weeks of winny. Everything looks good for the most part.. 15lbs of lean body mass is pretty tough it'll depend on your diet
OK, ty for reply. My aromasin tabs are 25mg which is the main reason i chose to dose EoD. Also in regards to changing it to only 4 weeks of winny, do you have any oppinion on bridging the 2 week gap pre-pct and starting it at week 11 or keeping the 2 weeks substance-free and running winny from weeks 9-12
JohnnyBlackhaha so if your aromasin tabs were 250mg would you run them every 10 days... no dude... read about aromasin half life and acive life
You can just take a razor or pill cutter and cutem in half.. The half life is a day so you'll get more stable blood levels with ED dosages with a lower dose
1jakd_hipyDon't run the Winny, you don't need a DHT on your first cycle. Run Test only and knock the aromasin down to 12.5mg
Yup, drop winny replace with prop
I would have to agree with 1jak, drop the winny on your first cycle.
Yup best thing is to just use test. I dose exemstane at 12.5 ed but some guys can get away with half of that dose and be fine.. Your AI dosages will all depend on mid cycle blood tests so you know what needs to be changed. Using exemstane with your PCT is a lil more advanced and you prlly won't need it for your first cycle's PCT since it's just test