My first cycle WANT YOUR OPINIONS
30 years old
5'11"
185lbs
11% BF
Starting out real simple. 2 pins a week of 250mg Test E. Going 15 weeks. I have Arimidex, Letrozole, Clomid, and Nolvadex on hand for support and PCT. I havent listed the dosage and times yet for the support. I have blood work going on Tuesday to check levels. May consider HCG but not really sure yet.
I read alot about cycle therapy and PCT with the words "Use as needed"
My problem is i dont know when it would be needed for sure. Ive read so many conflicting Ideas on this. I have a plan general plan in mind that i purposely left off the chart for now until i hear some more feedback.
I know it all depends on the individual and their personal variables but it gets me nervous not knowing too much about that.
My main concerns are Gynecomastia as well as the opposite of having estrogen too low. Im worried about natural test production after the cycle as well. I am already bald so i dont really care about hairloss. Liver support is a concern of mine as well.
If things seem to be going well leading up to week 5 or 6 im considering adding Anavar at about 75mg for about 6 weeks into the cycle. This also depends on the availability seeing as how it seems hard to find the 50mg tabs now.
Any suggestions, links, or info is apprecaited.
Updated 7/31 - Dropped Anavar. Threw in general numbers and timetables for AI and PCT
Updated 8/6 - Added 2 photos from 1st pin day
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | HCG if needed | Arimidex | Letrozole if needed | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | |||||
| 2 | 500mg | |||||
| 3 | 500mg | |||||
| 4 | 500mg | |||||
| 5 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 9 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 10 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 11 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 12 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 13 | .25mg | |||||
| 14 | .25mg | |||||
| 15 | .25mg | |||||
| 16 | 100mg/day | 40mg/day | ||||
| 17 | 100mg/day | 40mg/day | ||||
| 18 | 50mg/day | 20mg/day | ||||
| 19 | 50mg/day | 20mg/day |
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Smizz i prefer to take arimidex from week 4 at 0.25 and from week 5 / .5 eod if you feeling tired then may consider to 0.25 again and wait till week 6. I did that to and worked for me so far !
PS: Blood work = always telling the truth
So far so good , but I think you need take better look to your nipples , up your adex max ,5 mg eod. Keep letro,it's so strong
They always been like that. Had em pierced years ago and got some scar tissue from it. These pics were pre cycle pics. Nips look the same now.
OK i got it . But it's better bloodwork after 4 to 6 weeks
Yea. Got blood work same day as first pin. And again a couple days ago. After week 4 ended. Awaiting results then may consider starting the Adex depending on what the estrogen looks like. Going for another at about 8 weeks to make sure I'm dosing the Adex properly
So means you doing well . When you get it ask some expert from the forum they will help you
Maybe stick with test e and primo for a first cycle!
Hey bud seems to be some good feed back here. Only thing I would chip in with is if you do use HCG and your concerned with gyno and do get symptoms, the HCG can apparently make it worse if that hasn't crossed your radar (lots of ifs and buts I know)
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/602692-hcg-gyno...
http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/articles-forum/67819-how-run-hcg-d...
interesting reads. Thanks for the heads up. will have to key an eye on that if i decide i need to use it ill keep an eye on gyno
This is my 2 cents.
First cycle -
500mg of test e pinned Monday/Thursday
Adex (if needed) ever other day at .5mg
5-7 meals a day ideally start around 3000 calories and go in increments of 250 calories just depending on how your body is reacting
Pct(start 12-14 days after last pin I'm inj.) - clomid 100/100/50 Nolva 40/40/20
Add a week if bloods aren't don't after cycle, but id highly recommend
You're running a very mild cycle and I wouldn't think too Much into it
How's your workout regime? I'd tighten up with 20-25 minutes of cardio after each workout + hit abs 3 times per week.
Good luck and welcome to the dark side!
I have the tendency to overthink things. work out regime is good. I was doing abs 2x week b4 cycle and added another day during cycle. My cardio could use some work so adding some post workout is a good idea. Was planning on closer to 4000 calories a day since I've always had a hard time gaining weight and work a job where I'm walking around 10 hours a day
Completely understand. Go more for visual and way yourself every 2 weeks bud. Just keep the diet super clean as in a cheat meal once a week. Looking forward to future progress! Good luck bud!
If you have hard time gaining weight and are on your feet 10 hrs a day adding more cardio is going to be counterproductive to your goal of putting some mass on. I would drop all cardio and just focus on banging out the weights.
Check out aromasin.
What do you see as the benefits to aromasin over taking arimidex and having the letrozole on hand
From what I have read adex and letrozole block access it the enzyme that converts test to estro. Aromasin inactivates the enzyme. But that there isn't an advantage or disadvantage for it.
Aromasin is generally considered to maybe be slightly better although it is also more expensive. Since it mimics a substrate instead of binding allosterically, it permanently deactivates the enzyme. No chance of estrogen rebound, possibly a favorable impact on igf-1, isn't as harsh on the lipid profile, and can be used in pct. In the end though use whichever one you feel like. The results are going to be the same in general when you get the dosage right on either one
It does seem to have benefits over the adex. Going to ride out with the adex and everything else I have for this cycle but will probably go for aromasin for the next one
Good to delete the var from this cycle...first run keep it simple as possible..I assume diet is in check? Macros splits? R u trying to bulk I assume by looking at your stats? Nutrition is the key to a successful cycle as well as limiting some possible side effects...water retention bloat..ect....600 mg wk may b a bit high if the gear is dosed properly..the more gear u run increases the chances of sides so dosing at the " lower" end of the spectrum may b the wise decision...450 -500 mg wk can result in very good gains certainly in the first few cycles..10-12wks is ideal for this cycle...ai looks good ..didn't see a pct. posted but noticed u have it on hand...make sure u get this in check before u start ...keep in mind this is my opinion based on what has worked for me I believe in the start low and progress upward with gear as you get more cycles in and know how your body will react...hope this has helped in some way...good luck...
diet is decent right now. I manage a restaurant so i have access to good protiens and veggies and what not for the cycle. Diet will be much better then. And its by no means bad now. I have considered dropping to 500 so i think ill take your advice. Also dropped to 12 weeks. I updated my table with the numbers.
I am trying to get some bulk on me for the first cycle and gain the knowledge of cycles and how my body handles it for possible future cycles.
pct. is up. Still got things to consider and get tweaked. It is posted. Adex for support and between cycle and pct. Considering hcg for between cycle and pct. Then for pct something along the lines of clomid 100mg day/nolv 40mg day for 2 weeks then half that for 2 weeks, then half that for a week.
As far as macros im gonna start with 40 40 20 and then make adjustments as needed
Sounds like u r heading in the right direction...always remember that gains or lack there of r made in the kitchen! Keep diet clean and plenty of it! Personally I wouldn't do the hcg and just run the clomid 100/100/50/50...4 wks is plenty for this cycle....good luck bro!
RustyhookerI wouldn't go 15 weeks. Post up pct. The pct is mandatory. ....not as needed. Letro is overkill but good on hand if problem arises.
I was thinking of sticking to 12 weeks. I put up 15 cuz I'll have enough gear for it. So I went back and forth between the those 2 cycle lengths. To be on the safe side I'll drop to 12
laansaluAdd some dbol mate for better results, u can cut some test off, let's say 400mg is ok for first time, but adding dbol will make cycle more effective, if you want to gain mass. But if you want to do cutting then u no need use enanthate, go for propionate and stanozolol
More terrible advice. Man shut the fuck up in case someone actually listens to you.
laansaluMan, watch your language please
Can't remember the last time I heard someone say that, or in this case read.
I'll probably do that eventually. I need to get my feet wet first. I pulled the anavar off my cycle chart. Just want to see how things effect me first
What!?! It is his first cycle. How is adding Dbol going to make it more effective. He doesn't even know what his optimum AI dose is yet and now you are recommending him to take a highly aromatizing compound. Who knows, he could very well be gyno prone just from test alone and this will be adding fuel to fire. there are alot of things he needs to figure out here and why he shouldn't be adding multiple compounds right from the start. Also you don't have to use prop and winnie for cutting. Test e will work just fine. cutting is diet and not compounds.
laansaluWell... If you think so...
If he thinks so??? Bro he knows so makwa is given really good advice compared to ur shit advice maybe u should take a step back and learn urself