My first cycle WANT YOUR OPINIONS
30 years old
5'11"
185lbs
11% BF
Starting out real simple. 2 pins a week of 250mg Test E. Going 15 weeks. I have Arimidex, Letrozole, Clomid, and Nolvadex on hand for support and PCT. I havent listed the dosage and times yet for the support. I have blood work going on Tuesday to check levels. May consider HCG but not really sure yet.
I read alot about cycle therapy and PCT with the words "Use as needed"
My problem is i dont know when it would be needed for sure. Ive read so many conflicting Ideas on this. I have a plan general plan in mind that i purposely left off the chart for now until i hear some more feedback.
I know it all depends on the individual and their personal variables but it gets me nervous not knowing too much about that.
My main concerns are Gynecomastia as well as the opposite of having estrogen too low. Im worried about natural test production after the cycle as well. I am already bald so i dont really care about hairloss. Liver support is a concern of mine as well.
If things seem to be going well leading up to week 5 or 6 im considering adding Anavar at about 75mg for about 6 weeks into the cycle. This also depends on the availability seeing as how it seems hard to find the 50mg tabs now.
Any suggestions, links, or info is apprecaited.
Updated 7/31 - Dropped Anavar. Threw in general numbers and timetables for AI and PCT
Updated 8/6 - Added 2 photos from 1st pin day
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | HCG if needed | Arimidex | Letrozole if needed | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | |||||
| 2 | 500mg | |||||
| 3 | 500mg | |||||
| 4 | 500mg | |||||
| 5 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 9 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 10 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 11 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 12 | 500mg | .25mg | ||||
| 13 | .25mg | |||||
| 14 | .25mg | |||||
| 15 | .25mg | |||||
| 16 | 100mg/day | 40mg/day | ||||
| 17 | 100mg/day | 40mg/day | ||||
| 18 | 50mg/day | 20mg/day | ||||
| 19 | 50mg/day | 20mg/day |
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His advice for the beginners section was dbol and Deca for 8 weeks. No test. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/steroids-101-...
What are you trying to accomplish with this cycle? Gain weight, lose weight? The addition of var mid-cycle is somwhat perplexing given that we don't know your goal for this cycle. Regardless though, I would drop the var for your first cycle. You are going to have enough worry about, especially with getting your AI dose dialed in.
This is why you get bloods mid cycle to see if you are dosing your AI correctly and adjust accordingly if needed.
I didnt put anything in the expectations bcuz i dont know full well what to expect. My goal down the road would be to gain weight. Id like to stay around 200 or so lbs when cut and lean so hoping the cycle will get me some mass to start working with. The Var idea came into play when i heard that it hardens you up and can keep you from losing as much of the weight when you stop the Test. The mid cycle idea was from another thing i read. Since hearing this feedback the end of the cycle seems more appropriate. Either way im just gonna run the Test E and get everything dialed and learn as much as a can while be as careful and safe as possible.
Ill have bloods b4 my first pin. do you think 3 weeks into the cycle is too early for another set of bloods? im willing to get bloods as often as possible to really track whats going on.
To keep yourself focused you need to set long-term goals and short term goals and plan your cycles accordingly otherwise you will really have no direction on how to set up and run your cycles. Sounds like a long-term goal would be 200lbs and 10% BF. Don't expect to get their in one 12 wk cycle so set a realistic goal for each cycle so you know what to do as far as dieting, training, compounds, cycle length etc.
Var will harden you up but you need to be sub 10% BF to really notice that effect. Likely not going to be happening during a bulk so no point in using it then. Bloods taken 5-6 wks into cycle.
Sounds right to me. I have the long term goal in mind and I definitely don't expect to achieve that first cycle. Realistically my goals for this cycle come down to knowledge and learning what to expect from my body from this. After pct and all is said and done I would hope for 5 or 10 pounds of muscle once the water weight goes away.
Hopefully you are putting just as much thought into how to structure your diet and training, since ultimately that is what will get you to your goal. The AAS is just a very small part of it. Without proper diet and training you will get nowhere so don't gloss over those aspects.
if you have arimidex I dont think you need letro, its quite strong, you dont wanna kill your estro bcos you need some, and 15 weeks cycle you may need consider about HCG you most probably will shut down for better and fastest recover it will be helpfull. look like you dont need var on your cycle, your have not got much BF anyway. keep it for next cutting cycle...
GOOD LUCK
I got the letro as a just in case as a suggestion from a friend who has been there b4. I figure id just like to have it on hand. i should have got the HCG with my order but didnt think i would need it. its starting to seem like i may need to get some.
Na not at 500 mg for 12 weeks, there's different opinions but my opinion and mine alone the LH signal I like so that I lose as little as possible, I run it for a while till I'm ready for the next one. You've got it looking right, in my opinion for your first. Make sure you EAT and Sleep, I hate when someone doesn't cover something that basic.
If you're determined to use the var I would wait until the end and use it for the last 4 weeks before you stop pinning and run it up until pct. That way you should have a very good idea how you respond to test alone and it might help you harden up a bit and keep gaining right up until pct. My first cycle the worst part was the 2 weeks to pct just letting my test levels fall with nothing there to help. You probably don't need it judging by your pic you've got some decent genes and seem to know what you're doing, but just a suggestion.
As for the AI that's highly individual to what dose you respond to best. 60 bucks for the blood test to get that dialed in is beyond worth it since afterwards you know from then on. Pre cycle bloods will let you know in general how much you aromatize based on your test/estradiol ratio and what test level you need to try to get back to afterwards. I'm so glad I got my bloods done because they told me I aromatize like no tomorrow so I require about 3 times as much AI as others and have terrible natural test. Otherwise I would've thought I messed myself up for the rest of my life. Good luck with your cycle man
thanks man. im gonna drop the var and see how the test works on me and get my support and PCT dialed in. from there im probably gonna do a second cycle later down the road where i throw in the Var at the end. The bloodwork is getting down tuesday b4 i pin. i plan on getting it checked up often in the cycle. You think 3 weeks into the cycle for another check up is a good time frame or should i wait a bit.
I would suggest week 5 or 6. That way your test plasma levels should be peaked and you would have been on your AI for a week or two also so you will fully know if it is working or if you are taking to much.
The fellas got your back bro, drop the var (your wallet will thank you)
my personal opinion is just try the test at first...i put on 45lbs on my first cycle ever. i ran 2 bottles of sustanon, 2 shots a week. you have a great natural build...u look alot like my body tyoe before i started juicing...actualy. u are at the same height and weight i was at on my first cycle. i ended up a 230lbs after it was said and done...anavar is a mild oral, but i just dont think ull need it IMO...test should be enough to give u good result...u can always add more compunds to later cycles in the future...u look good though bro, anxious to see if ull react as well as i did to the test
Hey man thanks a million. If I gain half as much as you did first cycle I will be thrilled. Thanks for the kind words. And I'm gonna drop the anavar. I was pretty set on getting it but I'm no fool. If people who have been there already are telling me otherwise I'd be an idiot to ignore them.
Pct is never as needed it is a must to restore natural test. If you mean ai as needed thats true ..watch for water bloat senstive nipples then add as needed also getting bloods mid cycle to chk estro, liver, test, as well
Yes sorry AI. Should have specified. Obviously I'll need to wait till Tuesday for my blood work but is clomid and Nolvadex alone usually OK for an avg person around my parameters to restore natural test or should I consider adding something.
Yes there fine i always add hcg at first too this helps if you have gotten any testicular atrophy as well an artificial signaling to the testes to produce test but make sure you start it early in pct cause it will need to be run with the your serms (nolva/clomid) then you drop it and continue running your serms pyramiding them down
Hit me up about that var I'm currently taking
I can't really tell by your pick if you are as big as you say you are (185 lbs). I not calling you a lier buy just saying I can't tell your size from that pick. If you are 185 lbs and you have been working out natural for a good while and eating right then I must say... This isn't a unreasonable first cycle but I would cut the anavar out this cycle. You should run test by itself first so you can really see what test does to your body by itself. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks dothework29. Yea 185lbs is accurate. Only pic i have right now. Ill add another right before the first pin for better comparison. And I like your point about seeing what the test does to me so I can better understand it. I might just take that route
Good deal man! You seem like you might be smart enough to take advice from the eroids community so in that case I wish you the best of luck with your cycle. Happy gains bro!
Get your baseline bloods 1st
you will thank yourself later down the road to compare
i didnt when i first started and really wish i had
Thanks I will Tuesday. Really wanna know the numbers before I alter em