posted Mon, 05/27/2013 - 11:59
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+ 2 1st Cycle part 2
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
5'11
227lbs
18% bf
| Week | Test Prop | Pregnyl | Test E | Arimidex | Aromasin | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 125mg EOD | 600mg | |||||
| 2 | 125mg EOD | 600mg | |||||
| 3 | 125mg EOD | 600mg | |||||
| 4 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 5 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 6 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 7 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 8 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 9 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 10 | 500UI | 600mg | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 11 | 125mg EOD | 500UI | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 12 | 125 mg EOD | 500UI | 0.25 EOD | ||||
| 13 | 12.5mg ED | 100mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||
| 14 | 12.5mg ED | 100mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||
| 15 | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ED | 10mg ED | ||||
| 16 | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ED | 10mg ED |
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hoops4life2330You should be starting your anti e by the end of week one. Also back off a little on the anti e and experiment bro or your bone density will start decreasing at that high of a dosage over time. Another thing, drop the the test levels 600mg/wk is more than enough for anyone. More test doesnt mean more muscle. Just my two cents. Take the advice how youd like.
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Romanbrandupdate
Kicking ass on my diet, I should see an ab or ab like imprint here soon lol
Do you realize that during the first three weeks, you'll be pinning 1,125 MG of test? I don't think that's a good idea: running a short ester and long ester simultaneously (test prop and test e).
RomanbrandWhat would you suggest? I've heard many people say that kick starting isnt bad. Should I lower the dose or just not do it at all? This is my first cycle so I'm all ears? If you see any other flaws please chime in!!!!
Yes, I am in process of lowering bf%
Excellent that you're working on lowering the BF. Keep up the good work - it's not easy, so give yourself a pat on the back.
It's my opinion that 'kick starting' by pinning short esters with long esters simultaneously, creates large imbalances and fluctuations in your test levels. You're planning to pin 75MG ED test prop with a half-life of a couple days, so you'd be maintaining steady, stable levels very quickly. But when you start and pin 600MG test e along with the 75MG ED prop shots, you're going to have well over 1000MG of exogenous test in your system at the time of your second test e shot. Read this:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-half-life-math-works
I suggest not kick starting. I think it causes fluctuations that are too wide and causes instability in your system. I wouldn't run the prop and test e simultaneously. Remember, your body is ALWAYS trying to maintain homeostasis, and cannot always keep up with our exogenous activities.
This layout is a lot like mine and Max is right - diet will be the key to your success. High protein meals with good carbs early. Also, if you're able to get rid of some body fat before hand, your reaction will probably be a lot more favorable. If your estro starts getting high you'll blow up like the Goodyear blimp. I did. It was all water and my BP was jacked.
Pinning sites that I use are Glute, Ventroglute, Delt and Quads. Those have worked well for me.
RustyhookerWater and high bp is signs of high estro.. Bloods at week 6 is good insurance you're dialed in. even on this awesome sight the numbers of faked ai and/or misuse is wild.
RomanbrandMy doctor is aware that i'll be juicing and approved me to take blood tests every month for like the next 6 months. I hope I do not have a fake AI, I am concerned however because the company I used is no longer with us...
I just found out from my doc that there are not the same legal concerns for PCT items that there are for AAS scripts. So ask your doc about prescribing Aro, Clomid, Nolva, etc. especially since he's aware of your cycle plans and willing to do blood work for you. This would be a huge money saver if you have a prescription drug benefit, and you'll be getting US pharma grade meds.
RomanbrandI already purchased my PCT but I will ask him if I do another cycle.
RustyhookerUnless you've had prior shrinkage of nutties, there's not really a reason for that much hcg to be run. If you get bad shrinkage then last 6 Weeks at that dose. It's just sending more signals. Get bloods at week 6 so you know if the adex is high/low for you. You can prop taper the two Weeks before pct as well.
RomanbrandHey brother, I made some adjustments, thank you for your feedback! What do you think? The hCG is a hard one for me because some people say start at Wk4, day 1, and you say last 6 wks. I dont know who to listen too lol.
RustyhookerEveryone is different in IF or WHEN they get shrink. I finished a 24 week cycle with no shrink. So kept the hcg for next cycle. But, your already shutting down natty system while on cycle so why run a nut plumper long before its even going to help? Last 6 Weeks is plenty....IF needed. Every false signal put into the body has the capability of prolonging recovery if not done right.
Going to have 2 Ai's on hand is good. I just like to stick to the Aromasin at 12.5 EoD & Proviron at 75mg Ed for some good hardening. Kickers are good but so are tapers. Your not going to pin that prop while waiting those 2 weeks for the Test E to leave the system? & me myself, I wouldn't start that HCG at the very beginning of the cycle. I'd hold off till about week 4, don't want to go desensitizing the boys. But let's hear what some vets around hear have to say first.
You might catch some shit about BF%. There's less E2 sides with lower BF%
Good luck
RomanbrandHey Max, thanks for the feed back, next cycle I will go all Aromasin because I like what I've read about it but I already had the Adex so I will stick with it this time. I wouldnt mind trying them both anyway. How does the cycle log look now? I changed it up a bit?
When it comes to the HCG you will know when shrinkage happens, wether its at week 4 or wk6. That will be when you would start dosing it. I dose it at 250iu's 2x a week.
Have you pinned before? What Ga & what sites do you plan on pinning?
Most important part of this cycle will be your diet. I take in 15-20grams of protein every hour & 1/2 to 2hours from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep. Try to only take in carbs from oats or other high dietary fiber sources like whole wheat wraps. Also cut out all carbs after 2pm. Only sugars from natural sources, ie. fruits, berries.
RomanbrandHey broski, I'll start with history... This will be my first cycle, I have no experience but have wanted to try AAS for many many years but chickened out when I was in my early 20's.
As for the hCG, I guess I will just go with the flow and see when my nuts start to shrivel and I will pin it accordingly. Yes, at 250iu's x2wk. (I will just keep the cycle log as is for example).
I will be using 22g pins, I think glute and quads and possibly delts (if I have someone else do them).
I've started a serious diet, I want to cut down a bit more before I start but I am not real concerned about it. I understand keeping bf% down prior to cycle will be better for less estrogen problems but I think I have a very solid PCT (adex and aromasin). I am at 8 meals a day depending on if I am working or able to eat while working, today I had 7 and my dinner was of course holiday food
I plan on taking my calorie count up a bit while on cycle but only though lean meats and meal replacement foods like shakes (not weight/mass gainer).
This is still an experiment kinda, I have no clue how I will respond, feel, think, and react but I am hoping the best and trying to soak up as much beginner and veteran advice as possible. Thank you for your input again!!!
No problem bro & good luck with them 22ga. I have been using the 22ga for my puller tip then using a 25ga for the actual injection with alliances oils. 1&1/2" for glutes, 1" for delts & quads.
This has been my first cycle as well and I am using the same pins as Supermax. You will likely find delts the easiest to pin bro (no help required) But by all means I encourage you to try as many pin sites as you are comfortable with. Might as well get them down now on your first cycle is the way I see it.
Everyone is different but I am at week 13 now and shrinkage is very minimal with a very similar cycle as yours. I think with your BF% (mine is just south of 20%) you are going to be wanting to hit the aromasin every day. But hey, you will soon know what high estro/prolactin feel like. Then you will also learn quickly how to adjust.
These guys have given you great diet advice, please take it to heart. This can be the experience of a lifetime or a nightmare. The choice is yours.
RomanbrandThank you for the feedback ice, I am still dieting bro, I am dropping below 20%. I haven't been dieting like I am now and have a 6 month old baby at home bla bla bla, if you have/had kids you know dieting is hard with a new born lol I put on some freak'n weight!
I have some T3 en route and I am still dieting like I said, I plan on starting prob mid June depending on how happy I am with my BF%, we will see
I am in the medical field, I'm not scared of needles, I planned on trying to pin every body part, even my pecker if there is any chance it will get bigger hahahaha!
Please don't try pinning your calves or traps. It will most likely prevent you from going to work, or leaving the couch. & prolactin will not be an issue as none of your compounds are 19-nor
Romanbrandhahaha! ~ok, so I'm not afraid to pin myself ALMOST anywhere