posted Thu, 06/26/2014 - 19:40
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Age: 27 Height: 5'6 Weight: 165lbs
Not sure of body fat but I can see my abs and rib indents on lat spread if that helps. Looking to gain some quality mass. Eating around 2500 calories right now gonna ramp up consistently on on cycle starting at 3k.
Not sure if keeping an AI for one week by itself before PCT is really necessary? I had some sensitive nip things going on as a teen so I'm thinking the AI on cycle is the way to go to be safe.
Also got my pre cycle blood done, let me know what you think. Any advice will be much appreciated!
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Pregnyl | stane | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 2 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 3 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 4 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 5 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 7 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 9 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 12 | 500mg | 500UI | 6.25 ED | ||
| 13 | 6.25 ED | ||||
| 14 | |||||
| 15 | 50mg | 20mg | |||
| 16 | 50mg | 20mg | |||
| 17 | 50mg | 20mg | |||
| 18 | 50mg | 20mg |
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Just ran a very similar first cycle but didn't need the hcg - the clomid and nolva were enough. Everyone's different though - interested to know how it goes for you!
No atrophy?
BillLumberghsolid plan. don't need to blast hcg from the start. start aromasin week 2.
HCG week 4-6, doubt you'll notice and ball changes before then. if at all.
I'd just run it week 12-14 myself EDO with asin @ 6.5 EOD or 3ed.
Solid advice guys, I appreciate the wisdom. I've read a lot about the hcg blasting instead of during cycle, it seems to be controversial with studies proving benefit to both. My main objectives were to keep my nuts full so my girl doesn't notice anything out of ordinary and to make a smoother transition into PCT. Check this read out:
http://forums.isteroids.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/97106-in...
But I did read it will lead to more aromatizing and cause est to rise, which would make me assume a higher AI dose is necessary. I will start my stane starting at the 4th week as advised but keep the dosage at 6.25 ed until I get my cycle bloods done and adjust per what my estrogen ends up at.
Why would you start your stane during the 4th week? Just cause your using a long ester doesn't mean your levels aren't already gonna be high a fuck very soon, ya it's gonna take 4-5 weeks to reach peak plasma levels but if your injecting 500mg ew and the half life's like 5-7 days after a week your body wil have already broken down 250mgs, a normal human produces like 40mgs of test a week. So think how much more estrogen youll have compared to a normal person just after the first week. And your levels will continue to build and build by week 4 your gonna have 10x the estrogen of a female on her period. Start it week 2 the latest.
And your don't worry to much about extra estro from the hcg. I run it all cycle and have no problems. I was using 6.25 mgs ed on 750 with no problems. Start your hcg after the first week, 250iu twice a weekif you don't want your girl to notice.
That's what I originally thought until I read some of the suggestions below. I figured there was something I was missing but I guess not. What your saying makes the most sense. Good to know u were on hcg and same dosage AI so I'll run it the same, good lookin out. How do you feel about me running my AI one week after my last test pin and stopping one week before pct? When do you usually stop yours?
I would run it right pct and maybe even into it. A lot of guys use aromasin during pct as it has some hpta stimulating properties. I plan on doing exactly that during my upcoming pct. if you start to feel signs of low e just drop it. Achy joints is the big one for low e. The others you can get mixed up with typical feelings during pct, low sex drive, lethargy, depression etc so it's hard to know if it's the aromasin or just pct causing those.
OursIsTheFuryI know 500mgs is the usual you see guys running but have you thought just doing 250mgs a week to see how much you can gain from so lil? I ran 250mgs my first and it went great man. Not saying your body and my body are the same and maybe 500mgs would be best for you. If you go low the first time and get sweet results it be cheaper atleast haha. Just my thoughts bro, you have a solid plan all around and these guys giving you advice are some of the best. Good luck and get big!
That could work but at this point it would be in the back of my mind all cycle that i need 500! Got my test cheap on a promo so not too concerned with the money issue. I'm looking forward to my first pin.
OursIsTheFuryFor sure man, I know what you're saying. Let me know how the cycle goes and good luck bro!
Thanks buddy, I'll keep everyone posted. It's a heavy workout this week so will post some of my major lifts for strength comparison.
That is true, if it's quality test you will make great Gains off 250 a week. I've seen first hand guys gaining 20lbs obviously not all muacle off 250mgs a week for 12 weeks. That would out your test levels over 2000ng/dl assuming it's dosed right and with those levels you can grow.
i would stash the hcg. your running your first cycle and your young, recovery should be easy for you. I only use it on harsh cycles or long cycles.
pct should be 14 days after your last injection of test E. Use clomid for 100mg/ED for the first 2 weeks and 50mg/ED for the last 2 weeks. Same for nolva, 40mg/ED for first 2 weeks and 20mg/ED for last 2 weeks.
For the stane, wait for the 4-5th week and add as needed. I would do bloods again around that time and adjust from there. I usually sit at 12.5 EOD or E3D.
Good stuff though! +1 for setting up a great first cycle and all the prep work to go along with it!
Half life of aromasin in females is 27 hours, in men its only 9 hours. So wouldn't he want to take it ed starting week 4? I found out that 6.25 ed is perfect for me, was taking 12.5 ed and found out it took my estro entirely to low.obviously its different for everyone.
i agree, everyone is diff. I am more reactive to estro issues but the 12.5 eod or e3d has kept me around 35 in blood tests so it really just depends i guess
Ya 12.5 ed had me feeling like shit so I just bumped down a little bit and felt a hell of a lot better..I need to get bloods soon, its the only real way to know for sure.
X2. 6.25ed is a good place to start and enogh for most at tha dose. Had me barely out of normal range on 750mgs of test.
Pretty good set up bro..i wouldn't recommend starting the aromasin till week 4. Don't want to crash your estro early on.And your going to want to have three full weeks pass before you start your pct.give ur body time to get rid of the excess test first. And up your calories if possible. When ur tired of eating then eat some more.
14 days after last pin is when pct begins. if you wait 3 weeks that would be for an undecylenate ester my dood.
Not true. We debated this a week or two ago, undecylenate actualy is more like 50s after last pin to start pct. I would say 21-24 days for test cyp and 18-20 for test e. And it's also dose dependent, someone on 1000mgs needs to wait longer then someone on 500.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pct-all-wrong
Learn something new everyday.
You got a solid plan bro, good starting weight for your height, you got your baseline bloods so you covered you all bases. but if your happy with 5lbs I would suggest not using gear and doing it naturally, 5lbs is totally possible naturally very quickly.
I would be happy with 5 lbs, for about a week, would love to hit 180 though. Thanks for checking out my plan man wasn't sure how good my bloods were. Gonna check them again about halfway through the cycle.
Alright well assuming you know how to eat you can def add a solid 15lbs of muscle with this cycle. You'll probably gain over 20 including the water and the little bit of fat gain that's kinda unavoidable. 3000 cals might be a little low, 3000 got me up to 165lbs when I first started lifting, once I got up to there I need more like 3500 to get to 175-180 and 4000-5000 to get to 200+. So make sure your gaining wieifjt before you start your cycle, once you start is not the time to figure out how many calories you need to grow. You just end up wasting weeks on your cycle doing that. Everything needs to be dialed in before you start. Hcg at the end of you cycle won't hurt either. Start 1000iu eod 14 days before you start pct , blast the 1000iu eod for 10 days stopping which means you'll stop the hcg 4 days before pct.