posted Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:45
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16 week lean down
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
5'10
245lb
22% BF
I hope to get down to 210-215lb with 8-10% BF
I'm running 4iuGH ED through this for the next 6 months.
Please give me your thoughts and experiences
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Pregnyl | Clomi | Deca | Anavar | Proviron | Nolva | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 250mg | 25mg ED | |||||
| 2 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 50mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 50mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 9 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 50mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 50mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 100mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 12 | 500mg | 250IU | 250mg | 100mg ED | 25mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||
| 13 | 500IU | |||||||
| 14 | 500IU | 100mg ED | 40mg ED | |||||
| 15 | 100mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||||
| 16 | 50mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||||
| 50mg ED | 20mg ED |
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phil113kgI don't understand what you meant by "lean down." I understand the words but I don't see how your cycle reflects your title. You're at a 22% body fat and you want to get under the 10. Your cycle doesn't make sense to me for the purpose of what you are trying to do. The end of the cycle is not how I would do it if you are trying to "lean down" while staying full. Cutting out test all together will flatten you out. Are you using the Proviron as an anti-estrogen? I don't want to complicate things even more so I will stop asking questions and allow you the chance to answer what was asked.
How about HGH? That'll help tremendously cut BF before the cycle with proper dieting and exercise, right?
I'm not planning on running this cycle till late April/early May fro timing issues but I'd like to run HGH for at least 6 months to a year. I figure I should run the gh for the next 3 months and work to get the bf down.
Thoughts?
Everyone is going to tell you you are too fat to do a cycle. Me? I was 265 pounds @ 5' 7" and my doctor put me on TRT. I still weighed that when I decided to do my 1st cycle. I went from 265 to 202 and I'm still losing. If you decide to run a cycle and you have a spare tire and other addons you want to lose; switch to a simple 1 compound cycle. Let the diet and exercise help you lose the weight and the gear as a small helper to achieve your goals. Go with A test only cycle @400mg based on your BF and only use an AI if you really need to or prone to Gyno. Stay true to your diet and be strict about it; do your workouts and incorporate cardio. Once you hit lower then 17% BF then you can decide on multiple compounds to help you get where you want to go. This is just my opinion and others will tear me apart but I can guarantee you very few people started cycling with less then 20% BF. It's all about what your goals are and then sticking to it. Good luck.
There are a lot of people that start cycles at a high body fat % but there are also a lot of people that have had failed cycles. He stated earlier that he's ran 8 previous cycles. I just think it's safe to say that gear is not the answer for him. I see it all the time someone on their 7,8, 9th cycle and their still high in bodyfat. AAS are not magic injections. When someone is that high in body fat they don't have the basic diet or training down. If you can't get that down your cycle will fail 100% of the time, and seeing he's ran previous cycles I just don't think he has the basics down yet.
I agree; hence why I added all the information that the diet and exercise will do much more then the gear ever will. Especially since 8 or 9 previous cycles did not help at all. Maybe this is living proof that gear does not help you lose weight at all but a good diet and exercise will take it better.
Trust me I know. I've ran 12+ cycles and my first couple were wasted cause I didn't understand just how important diet was. I thought shit I'll run some test get hella big , but no it didn't work that way lol. Once I got my diet down I truly saw just how important it was, and I can't stress how important it is to get your diet down first before starting a cycle. He can def run a cycle and loose weight at that bodyfat % it's just that I personally see more people fail than succeed.
AnonWhen I started using gear I was at least 23% body fat should have NEVER done it but I had two friends that were and I wanted to join them didn't want to feel left out. When you are that high BF using gear you will have to work 10 TIMES as hard for it to have any effect. Every body is different and reacts differently to gear and to working out I GOT LUCKY! Yes I worked hard but I got lucky that I didn't make myself sick or damage my organs. It was only after I joined Eroids that I realized the mistake i made by jumping in gear too quickly. Yes I dropped major body fat and am now down to 17% but this is where I should have been when I started or less. My side effects were also much worse when I was 20+bf trust me and trust the comments below cut your carbs stop all carb consumption after 2pm you will be amazed at what you can do get below 20% bf before you even think about a cycle or ordering gear because at 22% is a waste and double the risk to your health let us help you bro!!
I have to agree with Makwa. Running a cycle at 20+% body fat is a waste. Being that high in body fat shows every one that you don't have your training or diet on point yet.using gear isn't the first step in body building, it's the next step, and right now you haven't reached the first step yet. Loose some body fat first then run your cycle. You'll get much better results and be so much happier you did..
My recommendation would be to lean down as much as you can before starting your cycle. That is a pretty high BF to be starting a cycle. If you are at 20+% BF you should be able to drop alot of that naturally with a good diet and training. No need for drugs here. Get that diet in check and drop as much bodyfat as you can and then start your cycle to strip away the remaining stubborn fat and end up in the single digits. You will have a much better cycle and be more impressed with the results. A huge part of your goal can be achieved without drugs.
I agree with Rolltide. You can achieve your goals without the Deca. Bit if you absolutely have your heart set on Nandrolone I would go with NPP. Save the Var for the back half. You could even get away with running it for 8 weeks of you're staying around the 50-75mg range. Milk Thistle for your liver obviously. Hawthorne Berry for blood pressure. Saw Palmetto for prostate. If the Aro at 12.5 EOD works have you tried to do 6.25 ED? Also on the pct you could run the Aro into it and it look like
12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 or if the 6.25 works then
6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Fuck winny! Lol.
HCG is Coolio! 250iu mon/thurs. You can run it up to PCT to help kick start it and make it easier.
I honestly and from personal experience much prefer a Test Prop taper out. It makes everything so much better!
Do you have a diet and routine to go along with this to reach your goals?
Whats your mothers maiden name?
Credit card number?
Name of your middle school principle?
Lmao what bout his first dogs name need that to
Glad you reminded me about that one!
I'd up your test to 12 weeks instead of ten drop the Winny go with var but I don't like doin orals over six weeks maybe u could do 50 mg week one thru four then up it to 100 mg weeks five and six.I'd drop the DECA to u can achieve your goals that u want with just test and var.do u have any experience with DECA and its side effects. . Been your eight cycle do u have better luck taking aro EOD or ed. Hcg don't think u really need this time but u don't need to start it week one if u do decide to run with it and stop it before u start pct. The standard pct is Nova at 40 40 20 20 been your 8 the cycle do u respond well just to 20.
I think you're right...the only reason I was really using the deca was because of the winny and it helps my knees with cardio. I was stupid/ignorant with Deca once and ran it almost 26 weeks (thank god there was no lasting effects as my gf is 2 months preg right now :))
I go EOD on the aromasin because it kills all the estrogen unlike Dex (ED) which only blocks 80 percent from becoming estrogen.
On the VAR...if I take it to 6 weeks...should I save it for the back half? Of course I'm eating milk thistle and all kinds of other good stuff for cycle support.
I like small doses of HCG because it won't completely shut me down but you're right, I should push it back another week.
I responded just fine to 20/20/20/20 on my last PCT but I was also stacking it with Clomi and a couple big shots of HCG. I also use a multitude of other PCT herbal supplements in conjunction. I'd do more but I fear overstimulating and burning out my pituitary.
I would use last half with the var the lower your body fat the more effective it will b so get your cardio and diet on point before hand if u are looking for a kick start I like using a test prop kick starter 100 EOD until your long ester test kicks in
In my experience I don't like oral Winny u don't get much bang for the buck
Pharmy grade Winstrol is pretty expensive...is it worth the cost?
What is your cycle history and age
I'm 32 and this would be my 8th cycle
I am curious brother if this is your 8th cycle why is your body fat so high? Were you sick or injured in between? The HGH will help with fat burning. I have friends using it for recovery and fat burning and it is working nicely these guys are paraplegics so they can't use exercise as a mode of fat loss like we can.