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+ 23 USROIDS Test E 300 Batch EN1103 and EN1104 Jano Results - 1104 underdosed

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I put this in the USRoids chat, but will put them here also so it gets wider viewership. I sent in unopened vials of USROIDS Test E 300 for testing. One vial of EN1103 and one vial of EN1104. Below are the links to the reports. EN1103 came back at 290mg/ml, but the EN1104 came back at 261mg/ml, which is 13% underdosed and closer to 250mg/ml. Do what you want with these results.

https://janoshik.com/tests/215252-Sample_1_HX6MCF6XF97Q
https://janoshik.com/tests/215253-Sample_2_B3BG4I81R5SW

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Pandateston's picture

This is exactly why I always tell people not to build an opinion from a single data point.

Everyone is assuming only two possibilities: either the source underdosed it or the lab messed up. Reality is usually more complicated than that.

There are a lot of variables… raw material variance, manufacturing variance, vial-to-vial variation, sampling, preparation, analytical uncertainty, different technicians, calibration, handling, etc. Even pharmaceutical products are manufactured within an acceptable variance … they’re not literally identical down to the last milligram every single time.

Personally, after being around this game for years, I honestly wonder how many times we’ve all been running gear that wasn’t exactly dosed as labeled without ever knowing it. Probably a lot more often than we’d like to admit.

That’s why I don’t like treating any single HPLC report as absolute truth. I look at the whole picture … multiple tests, consistency between batches, bloodwork, user feedback, clinical response, and long-term reputation. One report can raise a question, but it shouldn’t automatically close the case.

That being said, I’d still rather have an HPLC report than no testing at all. It’s another piece of the puzzle, not the entire puzzle. If the repeat test comes back with similar results, then I’d be much more inclined to believe it’s simply an underdosed batch. If it comes back significantly different, then that opens a whole different conversation about analytical variability and repeatability.

Either way, hopefully we’ll have some good answers next week. That’s how the community learns.

Thanks for testing and sharing it, brother

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Tbackin's picture

13% variant on the low batch. All in all in todays shit show of raws and gear and tom foolery? Really not all that bad. Many quote unquote "pharma" and compound agency's often work within an acceptable variance limit range of 10% give or take. EDIT ps much hanks for the testing and sharing!!!

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BertAK-47's picture

Ya totally I wanna be charged the price of e 300 and get more like 250. Hell no. Plenty out there that test on the money every time

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Tbackin's picture

You sure?

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BertAK-47's picture

Very

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The Mailman's picture

100% agree

Birdmanjack23's picture

Thanks for sharing+1

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NWApatches's picture

Ooooooh

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Legion of Doom's picture

There was a guy a while back everyone was sending out for test said he knew a lab nerd who could test everything turns out he lied the whole time just to get kick backs, testing has become a shit show don’t know if it will ever change if money is involved. I guess I just pick and chose who I trust I hope it turns out good the the testers are honest. Anyhow thanks for testing it’s great to see members trying to help others out, hope all works out.

locknid's picture

I will have another vial of 1104 going to jano tomorrow or Monday so we can test SeeOhShow's theory. Thank you for the contribution @SeeOhShow to the cause. I will post up the results once I get them.

shredski's picture

If there’s a way to try to use a different email or some how remain anonymous when sending it in and maybe peel the label just my thoughts to avoid the chance this post is seen because I’m sure he lurks in some capacity but that just might be my conspiracy theorist mind lol

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Cypher2377's picture

So I guess the conclusion if that test comes back different from the original test, we can conclude that all test are trash and all results, even the ones posted by src’s should carry very little weight? I do believe the testing is not 100% accurate, I just don’t see how it is, maybe I’m wrong. But I’m curious to see how these results turn out.

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SeeOhShow's picture

The real issue is Jano claims a margin of error of ~5%. Though it has come to light on another board he was fudging the numbers and his margin of error is much higher. Like double digit. It’s not necessarily meaning all tests are trash but if we see something oddly low from a source that usually tests spot on, then it’s likely a margin of error issue with the lab

SeeOhShow's picture

To be fair I have seen other sources on other boards absolutely blasting jano because they sent the same oil twice and got like a 260 mg/ml result then a 300+ mg/ml result. Kinda put a spotlight on margin of error over at Jano and instead of trying to resolve the problem Peter just insulted folks and then “quit” that forum. Much like he quit coming here when he got blasted for falsifying a report a while back. I bet if you sent batch EN1104 again you’d get a wildly different result. I’ll even help you pay for it. Not to help key but to expose the shitshow that Jano has become due to greed

locknid's picture

I have 7 more vials of the EN1104 so I would not be opposed to it.

SeeOhShow's picture

I’ll shoot you a friend request. You pay the shipping and I pay the testing fee? Seem reasonable to you? Hell I’m sure Key would reimburse you especially if it comes back at the proper dose.

Though it would suck for all of us because then we can no longer put much faith at all in a Jano report. Other than it being the target compound

Tanman's picture

Be willing to throw a few bucks in myself, I have 4 vials of 1104 I haven't cracked open yet

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SeeOhShow's picture

The thought is appreciated from both of you but I think it’ll just make it more difficult getting more people to help pay. I’ll just cover the test entirely myself if he decides to send another vial off. I don’t even have the oils. I just want to highlight that this very likely isn’t a keytech issue but a jano issue.

Skinnyboy63's picture

I would use the same vial of test an spit it up 5mg in two different sterile vials then you know it's the same I like the idea your awesome for covering that for him

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Squatch710's picture

I would do that but throw in one ml of rx test c see how close to 200 he gets the rx. However they guy who posts all that testing sent rx to jano as a control and it got tested accurately by jano.

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SeeOhShow's picture

That is a good idea. Only issue is once that seal is broken than any party (Jano or source) can refute results claiming tampering. This whole thing is a racket though. Just lining Janos pockets further by buying more tests to either validate or discredit his methods.

Skinnyboy63's picture

Yes sir I understand

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locknid's picture

I thought about only sending a couple ML of different ones because I have a bunch of sterile vials on hand, but decided against it so no one can say there was any shenanigans on my part. I will only send sealed vials for testing.

Squatch710's picture

I plan on mixing several oils for my primary test. Any anomalies detected in the first test would warrant further testing of all oils individually to identify to contaminated one but most people only do the cheap ass substances and mg test. Any honest source would have no problem with this testing protocol and the fact none of them ever seem to test for heavy metals or other contamination mist won't even do the cheap solvent test to prove the labeling is true.

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PLarson1311's picture

I’m down to help out too. For any product testing.

locknid's picture

I accepted. Hit me up. That would suck if we can't trust Jano, especially for how much they charge.

Massa Ron's picture

Thank you for testing.

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JDOK's picture

Nice man! We love testing its great to see this much appreciated

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Khandum's picture

Thanks for the information brother man

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keytech's picture

The one with the white cap engraved with "Pharmaroids" and the copper-colored collar has consistently tested between 290, 295, and 300 mg, depending on the specific Janoshik technician doing the testing; the other one, with the blue cap, has consistently tested between 330 mg and 360 mg. It seems odd to me, but in any case, I’ll add a few free vials of Enantest300 to your next order.

Squatch710's picture

You should bring back those over dosed 20ml vials. They were great I still have some but I can always use more test

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WONDERBOY13's picture

I wrote you a pm about testing. I have not heard back. I'm sending out for testing. I just hope you are legit

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shredski's picture

But I thought Jano was g2g and it was Analiza that was ass?

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SeeOhShow's picture

Honestly they both suck now. It also depends on what you’re testing. APIs and GH with analiza always come back high purity. Seems odd to me. Their oil and tablet testing seem fine though. Jano grew too big too fast. Hired a bunch of lab techs and now their margin of error has skyrocketed. But communication and processing times are better with Jano compared to AB.

We honestly need some more competition in the market.

shredski's picture

Absolutely I’m trying to pull some info on available labs another I’m in contact with is MZ biolab in the US but there oil testing is $250.

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BigCoachKen's picture

I wonder if you, or any one of us, contact them directly and ensure they will get consistent business if theyd be willing to discount that rate. Worth a shot, esp for a US based lab, would make things a little easier

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shredski's picture

I reached out to 3 other us labs and a lab in Switzerland as well I’m definitely going to mention this I’m not going to mention what I am doing tho as far as testing out all the available labs.

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BigCoachKen's picture

Right on man. Thanks for doing all that, it'd be a real help to the community. Kinda important for us to have reliable testing LOL

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shredski's picture

100%

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SeeOhShow's picture

Lab4Tox? Or is that Poland

shredski's picture

Simec. I’m gonna look into lab4tox as well

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Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Good point

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locknid's picture

Thank you for the reply. I was honestly surprised at the 1104 results. I sent you a message in TG

Cypher2377's picture

Thanks for testing and posting results,

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shredski's picture

Thanks for testing homie

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BertAK-47's picture

Thank you for your service! Good luck with this. You might get some flack.

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locknid's picture

I'm fine with that lol.

Littleginger's picture

Thanks for posting. Curious what they say they are normally very reputable