+ 7 8 week tren microdose experiment
First experiment with tren ace, ran alongside 350 test and 250 primo for 8 weeks. Started at 8mg daily and titrated up to 10 after a week, and then 12 after another week. First photo is before I began the course and the second from the last day.
All in all, I enjoyed the run and benefited from the increased drive, CNS stimulation, nutrient partitioning, and anti-catabolic affect while in a deficit. Minimal sides, but I did experience sleep disruption: I would fall asleep fine and then wake up around 12-1am and get more restless sleep for the remainder of the night, which is something I have experienced with other 19-nors.
Bloodwork stayed fine and some markers actually improved. HDL tanked to 27 from low 40s, but LDL actually improved, as did liver enzymes. APOB held steady. BP remained consistent between 115/65-125/75, with BPM ranging from 55-65 on average.
Biggest positive would be the strength and gym performance. I was consistently outperforming past sessions even while in a deficit.
I’ll keep this in my back pocket for when I do an honest prep - sometime before I turn 45 I would like to get on stage, but need to add some size before then. Nice to have some information on how I might respond to this compound, and to know that I could easily push it to 15mg/day without too many sides or much impact on bloodwork.
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But what if I wanted to micro dose a randomdude?
Well considering I have a micro penis I’d say you’re in luck.
They just have to suck harder lol
Hahaha...
Shit.
Same ..
Agreed just run the shit high enough that it can work its magic. Or don’t. Run something else then
Facts
You wouldn’t believe what I ran the 1st time I danced with Trenalina lol
A lot of tren fear mongering lmao
There is a reason why, I literally know somebody who put a gun to his wife's head and blew his own brains out because of tren, others who Just makes impulsive and psychotic and start going on a cocaine binge.
Sounds like a retard outta control divkwad. Probably had many affliction shirts and white sunglasses
Definitely the tren. Guy was clearly stable before that.
Train can cause psychosis in normal people. That's not in debate Though it typically happens with dumbasses shooting high amounts every other day of acetate. We wouldn't see that with any of the doses people are talking about on this board.
It’s debatable
Lmao but I read on Reddit it makes you turn gay too
So is your suggestion to jump into a new compound at 300-500mg a week? My interest is in finding the lowest effective dose, which does seem to vary person to person.
Nobody is against using a “lowest effective dose”. Keyword being “effective” here…
200 to 300 is a good starting point yes that’s correct
I’m happy to hear you found a dose that works for you, bud. Next time, I think I will start at 15mg ED and titrate up from there.
Are you being disingenuous or stupid? Seriously are you listening to Todd Lee or something? Don't do gimmick cycles. This is a well explored practice. There isn't a magic niche miracle combo. The reason pros dont discuss it isn't to hide some magic recipe, its because they all run the same shit at similar doses. "Lowest effective dose" and playing it safe, that philosophy yet you are using tren? Fuck outta here, willfully ignorant drug abuse.
Lol youre really upset
Less is more in the Steroid world, and the same goes for Tren as well. Bro full gown Cows are injected with Pellets of Tren Ace 200mg weekly, it is also paired with 14mg of Estradiol I believe as well. If a dose this low can work for a half ton creature then, 70mg of Tren should work on a human of his stature.
The guy isn't retarded he knows damn well it's a toxic compound, and you cant fault him for his dosages. The guy quite literally is doing the right thing by starting low and working his way up. When it comes to drugs and I mean all drugs, you can always take more but you can never go back.
More like less is less in this case
Doing low dose tren as a skinny bodybuilder who does this as a hobby is absolutely retarded at any dose but that by itself is even somewhat forgivable. Less is more but its least effective dose, not stay at an ineffective dose then titrate up to a still ineffective dose.
Bingo
Yeah I see your point, but I always respect a man who is on the side of caution. He seen that it didn't do shit, and we all seen that also, he now knows to press the gas a bit harder next time. I would love to say when I run Tren for the first time I'm jumping off into the deep end like a mad man at 300-400mg weekly, but realistically I would start low as well. Now maybe not sub 100mg weekly, but for sure around 150mg.
Agreed. When I tried it I started at 75mg a week of ace and titrated up to 300 over a couple weeks. Hearing all the horror stories when I have a family and stable job, I ain't taking no chances.
Did you read the 2nd and 4th paragraph? He’s convinced almost zero tren worked like actually running tren.
No he defended how it gave him drive in a deficit and made him full and vascular. He absolutely presented this in some posts where he said it gave him results and then others where he said he knew it was pointless. This guy changes his answer based on the view of who he's talking to. I get wanting to defend against mean behavior but this guy is a lying sycophant who had no place supplying his ever changing anecdotal evidence. Im not being mean for no reason, this guy sucks.
"This guy sucks!" shit is funny as fuck lmao, that was good.
The only positive thing Todd Lee has ever done for me is convinced me getting my pro card is achievable before I’m 40. Because if his shitty ass physique can earn a pro card then I damn sure can.
Todd Lee…what a fucking joke. Hes like Greg Doucett…trying to be gate keepers and say people are stupid from abusing steroids at large doses when they themselves did it. Hypocrites.
I understand if people wanna take a healthy approach to gear cuz they are older. But this micro dose stuff is getting outta hand. But if your running tren your first time you want tren like results right? Maybe it’s just me.
Well healthy approach to gear and Tren don’t even belong in the same sentence or conversation. And if we’re being honest, the majority of people running it have no business running it. It’s all risk and no reward if a trophy and/or prize money isn’t on the line.
First time tren = tren ace. That way if it goes wrong you’re out within a week. Microdosing is silly especially with folks citing these androgenic/anabolic ratios that are developed using non standardized techniques and methodology on rodents. Means fuck all for us
I owe you an up thumb, don't let me forget.
Thank god someone who doesn’t get there gear knowledge from social media..
No hate bro. I just want people to achieve there goals. Micro dosing tren is a trend lately. Your first real tren cycle you will feel like your on top of the world. You won’t even care about sides. Just keep your caber on hand for any issue and transform yourself
That has to be about some of the worst advice I have heard in my life, just jump on a larger dose, if side effects exist you won't care, --. Starting low than titrating up is always the correct answer. Especially with ace, the fluctuations and level levels due to the short, Esther are more likely to cause psychiatric side effects, you could have titrated up far more rapidly than you did, though, with Tren Ace it works quickly, so you can titrate up quicker as well. No need to stay at a sub therapeutic dose for eight weeks.
No. It’s solid advice. If you’re going to use a compound use it so you know what to expect out of it. How can you find this “ minimum effective dose” if you don’t even know what the compound can do?
Tren at any dose is crossing the blood brain barrier so psychiatric effects are going to happen regardless.
In my opinion he’s being conservative with 200-300. I always recommend 350 of Tren Ace a week if you really want to see what it’s capable of. Adjust from there.
Half the ppl i know that ever try tren and start at that dose, dont even finish the first bottle. I think the 100mg eod "standard" is bs i tell people to start at 50 and go up.
Problem is people see 350 and calculate it as a weekly dose, when that Monday pin of 50mg is essentially nothing come the weekend. Short esters are not cumulative like longer esters and thus shouldn’t be viewed through the same lens of this “weekly dose” idea. These compounds aren’t actually studied to determine real half-life. Terminal half life is essentially only studied in prescribed medications like testosterone. And the half life of undecanoate varies from 20-30 days depending on carrier oil viscosity. People cite up to 3 days for tren ace but that’s purely speculative. Anecdotally it’s easily sub 24 hours especially in these extremely low viscosity carrier oils UGLs brew in.
So in the case of tren ace, disregard weekly totals and just pin based on the ester?
Honest question from a prospective first time tren user.
Yes. 50mg/day of Tren ace should NOT be viewed as “I’m taking 350mg/wk”
Hell just look at the serum difference on steroid plotter of 50mg/day ace vs 350mg/wk tren E. We’re talking like 6-7x higher from the same dose when technically the enanthate has less tren per total mg due to ester weight, so it’s actually less tren
Steroid plotter doesn’t show serum levels. It shows the amount of the drug in the body as opposed ro the concentration of the free hormone at the receptor. The reason there is such a discrepancy is that the longer ester drug is leaving the depot slowly and the amount waiting to be released is growing over time.
How do you get to that conclusion? When in their own footnotes they claim to take elimination half-life into account.
Also ester has no bearing on speed at which it leaves the depot.
That note doesn’t say what you think it says. Once peak concentration is achieved with a long ester, the amount of the active hormone in the blood at any given time is almost identical between short and long esters. If you inject 50mg per day of tren A or tren E then after several weeks there will be more of the drug present in your body but the amount released each day will be about equal minus the difference in ester weight. I usually qualify my statements because a lot of what we talk about is not conclusive and varies by person but what I am telling you is a fact.
Not arguing for the sake of being argumentative here btw as much can be lost in translation via text. Comes from a place of learning.
The note mentions using elimination half-life calculations when possible. Doesn’t that, by definition, mean serum concentration? As elimination half life is speaking about drug in blood specifically.
So you’re saying with depot release time a constant, then half-life from ester cleaving makes no difference in blood concentration of hormone? If depot release is equivalent between the two, as would be expected, then the pool of available hormone would be significantly bigger on the longer ester compound due to the shorter one being metabolized and eliminated more readily. Eventually that pool reaches equilibrium where amount added via more injection = amount cleaved off the ester and metabolized. I would think that equilibrium point would be much higher for the long ester compound due to that larger pool size.
I think we have closed the gap considerably. The note is saying that the elimination half-life is as accurate as possible based on available literature and is as accurate as possible. As you said in a previous post, a lot of what is known about the half-life of a given ester is an approximation. What I’m saying is that the numbers reflected in the plotter are the amount of the drug in the body which includes the drug which is not circulating in the bloodstream and is waiting to be cleaved off. When the longer ester is at peak concentration then the amount of the hormone which is being released into the bloodstream is the same as that of the shorter ester. That is an approximation because as you also stated in a previous post, 200 mg of Ace contains more actual miligrams of tren than 200 mg of E due to the space taken up by the ester.
Yea I see. I actually tried to get a response back to you before you responded. Serum concentration is determined by Cavg = F×Dose / Clearance×τ
Clearance is constant since regardless of ester, it all ends up as the base hormone which will always have the same base clearance rate. With all else also equal dose, bioavailability (assume 100%) and dosing frequency then Cavg would actually be the same. Though technically speaking if we went with same dose regardless of ester then tren ace would actually yield a higher Cavg due to that same 50mg dose containing more Tren once the ester is cleaved.
Well I take back what I said. Only reason to pick ace is to have a smaller systemic reservoir, so you’re not stuck with trickling hormone into your system and battling side effects for weeks.
Thanks for prompting me to do additional research
I appreciate the respectful conversation. I agree with many of your points on this thread. Especially about that midget Todd Lee.
Tren E has less tren per milligram, but builds up in your system, ultimately the dose ends up being fairly equivalent overtime, though there is slight difference.
Nowhere near equivalent over time due to the compounding effect of the longer ester. Acetate doesn’t get that build up. Total serum concentration once you’ve reached equilibrium between the two esters at the same daily dose is vastly different.