First Cycle - Coach Guided
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PLEASE READ BEFORE RESPONDING
This is intentionally a detailed and fairly long post.
I understand that it contains more information than is usually included in a cycle-advice thread, but I am taking this seriously and want anyone reviewing the plan to have as much relevant information as possible.
Rather than leaving out important details and having people make assumptions, I have included my background, goals, complete proposed protocol, supplement stack, baseline bloodwork, monitoring plan and primary concerns.
I appreciate anyone who takes the time to review it. You do not need to respond to every section or answer every question individually. General feedback, concerns and recommendations regarding the overall plan are equally welcome.
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REASON FOR POST
I recently started working with a coach who is guiding me through my first anabolic cycle. He appears knowledgeable and has taken a structured approach, but before fully committing, I wanted additional feedback from experienced members here.
Before recommending the protocol, he asked me to complete comprehensive baseline bloodwork. I had that testing completed, and the results are included below.
He also asked about my overall goal. I explained that I want to become leaner and drier while maintaining or building an athletic-looking physique, rather than simply gaining as much size as possible.
Based on my goals, current condition and bloodwork, he provided the cycle and supplement plan listed below.
I am posting the complete protocol, supplement stack, baseline bloodwork and proposed follow-up testing to get opinions on the overall structure, safety considerations and anything that may need to be reconsidered before I begin.
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BACKGROUND / CURRENT STATS
Age: 34
Height: 5'10"
Current weight: approximately 160 lbs
Estimated body fat: approximately 16-17%
Previous highest weight: approximately 280 lbs
Goal:
Fat loss and body recomposition while maintaining or gaining muscle and developing a lean, dry and athletic-looking physique.
Experience:
This would be my first anabolic-steroid cycle.
Planned cycle length:
20–24 weeks
TRAINING / CARDIO
- Weight training 3 times per week
- 2 upper-body days
- 1 lower-body day
- Biking on non-lifting days
- Bike routes generally involve substantial elevation gain
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PROPOSED 20–24-WEEK PROTOCOL
The plan is for every compound listed below to be used throughout the full 20–24 weeks.
TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE
- Total: 300 mg per week
- Concentration: 250 mg/mL
- Monday: 100 mg / 0.4 mL
- Wednesday: 100 mg / 0.4 mL
- Friday: 100 mg / 0.4 mL
MASTERON ENANTHATE
- Total: 300 mg per week
- Concentration: 200 mg/mL
- Monday: 100 mg / 0.5 mL
- Wednesday: 100 mg / 0.5 mL
- Friday: 100 mg / 0.5 mL
ANAVAR / OXANDROLONE
- 20 mg before each workout
- Training days only
- Approximately 3 times per week
HCG
- Monday: 625 IU
- Friday: 625 IU
- Total: 1,250 IU per week
RETATRUTIDE
- 5.5 mg once per week
- Already used for approximately 7 months
- Gradually titrated to the current dosage
MOTS-C
- 1 mg per day
- Monday through Friday
- Total: 5 mg per week
CLENBUTEROL
- 20 mcg every morning
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POST-CYCLE PLAN
My coach has stated that he already has a post-cycle plan prepared, but he has not yet provided me with the specific details.
I plan to follow up with him again before beginning so I understand the complete post-cycle approach, including the medications, dosages, timing and whether the plan involves a traditional PCT or another strategy.
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SUPPLEMENT / SUPPORT SCHEDULE
Note:
The purposes listed below describe why these supplements were included. I understand that they do not guarantee protection from cycle-related side effects.
CURCUMIN
- Product: NOW CurcuBrain Longvida
- Dose: 400 mg every morning
- Purpose: General inflammation and cardiovascular support
VITAMIN D3
- Product: Nature Made Vitamin D3
- Dose: 4,000 IU every morning
- Two 2,000-IU softgels
- Purpose: Correcting my insufficient baseline vitamin D level of 25 ng/mL
VITAMIN K2 MK-7
- Product: Nature Made Vitamin K2
- Dose: 100 mcg every morning
- Purpose: Added alongside vitamin D3 for bone and calcium-metabolism support
POTASSIUM CITRATE
- Product: NOW Potassium Citrate
- Dose: Three 99-mg capsules with each meal
- Approximately 297 mg per meal
- Approximately 891 mg daily if eating 3 meals
- Purpose: Electrolyte support, particularly with clenbuterol, sweating and possible retatrutide-related dehydration
CREATINE MONOHYDRATE
- Product: Thorne Creatine
- Dose: 10 grams daily
- Two 5-gram scoops
- Purpose: Strength, workout performance, recovery and lean-mass support
DANDELION ROOT
- Product: NOW Dandelion Root
- Morning: 500 mg
- Evening: 500 mg
- Total: 1,000 mg daily
- Purpose: Intended to reduce temporary water retention and support a drier appearance
BERBERINE
- Product: Thorne Berberine Dual Action
- Morning: 1 capsule
- Evening: 1 capsule
- Total: 2 capsules daily
- Full daily serving contains 450 mg berberine HCl plus 550 mg berberine phytosome
- Purpose: Blood-sugar, insulin-sensitivity and metabolic support
MILK THISTLE
- Product: Thorne Milk Thistle Phytosome
- Morning: 180 mg
- Evening: 180 mg
- Total: 360 mg daily
- Purpose: Liver support while using oral Anavar
NAC
- Product: NOW NAC
- Morning: 600 mg
- Evening: 600 mg
- Total: 1,200 mg daily
- Purpose: Antioxidant and liver support while using Anavar
ASTRAGALUS EXTRACT
- Product: NOW Astragalus Extract
- Morning: 1,000 mg
- Evening: 1,000 mg
- Total: 2,000 mg daily
- Purpose: Intended kidney and cardiovascular support, although evidence for cycle protection is limited
RED YEAST RICE
- Product: Thorne Red Yeast Rice
- Dose: 900 mg daily
- Monacolin K content is not disclosed on the label
- Purpose: Intended LDL-cholesterol support because my LDL and ApoB are already elevated and may worsen on cycle
COQ10 / UBIQUINOL
- Product: Qunol Mega Ubiquinol
- Morning: 100 mg
- Evening: 100 mg
- Total: 200 mg daily
- Purpose: Cardiovascular and muscle support, particularly alongside red yeast rice
CITRUS BERGAMOT
- Product: Double Wood Citrus Bergamot
- Morning: 500 mg
- Evening: 500 mg
- Total: 1,000 mg daily
- Purpose: Additional LDL, non-HDL and ApoB support during an androgenic cycle
MAGNESIUM BISGLYCINATE
- Product: Thorne Magnesium Bisglycinate
- Dose: 200 mg elemental magnesium every evening
- One scoop
- Purpose: Electrolyte, muscle, sleep and heart-rhythm support, particularly while using clenbuterol
OMEGA-3
- Product: Sports Research Triple Strength Omega-3
- Morning: 2 softgels
- Evening: 2 softgels
- Total: 4 softgels daily
- Approximately 4,160 mg actual omega-3 daily
- Approximately 5,000 mg total fish oil daily
- Purpose: Triglyceride, inflammation and general cardiovascular support
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RETATRUTIDE BACKGROUND
Retatrutide is not being introduced as a new compound at the beginning of this cycle.
I have already been using retatrutide for approximately 7 months. I began using it at approximately 280 lbs and gradually titrated the dosage upward on a monthly basis.
My current weight is approximately 160 lbs, and my current retatrutide dosage is 5.5 mg per week. I plan to continue that dosage throughout the proposed 20–24-week cycle.
The bloodwork listed below was completed before starting any anabolic steroids. However, I may of have retatrutide in my blood while the bloodwork was taken, but i did stop taking it for a week before the bloodwork was taken.
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MOST RECENT FASTING BLOODWORK
Collection date:
July 9, 2026
Important context:
These results were obtained before starting any anabolic steroids, but while I was already using retatrutide.
LIPIDS / CARDIOVASCULAR
- Total cholesterol: 175 mg/dL
- LDL cholesterol: 121 mg/dL — high
- HDL cholesterol: 38 mg/dL — low
- Triglycerides: 72 mg/dL — good
- Non-HDL cholesterol: 137 mg/dL — slightly high
- ApoB: 102 mg/dL — high
- Lipoprotein(a): 76 nmol/L — slightly above the laboratory’s optimal range
- Cholesterol/HDL ratio: 4.6
- hs-CRP: 2.3 mg/L
Summary:
My primary baseline concern is that LDL, ApoB and non-HDL cholesterol are already elevated, while HDL is already low. Triglycerides are currently good.
LIVER FUNCTION
- AST: 18 U/L
- ALT: 21 U/L
- Alkaline phosphatase: 63 U/L
- Total bilirubin: 0.6 mg/dL
- Albumin: 4.9 g/dL
- Total protein: 7.5 g/dL
Summary:
Baseline liver enzymes and liver-function markers were normal.
KIDNEY FUNCTION / ELECTROLYTES
- Creatinine: 0.98 mg/dL
- eGFR: 104 mL/min/1.73m²
- BUN: 20 mg/dL
- Urine albumin/creatinine ratio: 2 mg/g
- Sodium: 137 mmol/L
- Potassium: 4.3 mmol/L
- Calcium: 10.0 mg/dL
- RBC magnesium: 5.4 mg/dL
Summary:
Kidney function, urine albumin and measured electrolytes were normal.
CBC / BLOOD COUNT
- Red blood cells: 5.17 million/uL
- Hemoglobin: 15.3 g/dL
- Hematocrit: 46.8%
- Platelets: 240,000/uL
- White blood cells: 5.5 thousand/uL
Summary:
No baseline erythrocytosis, anemia, platelet abnormality or major white-blood-cell abnormality.
GLUCOSE / METABOLIC HEALTH
- Fasting glucose: 88 mg/dL
- Hemoglobin A1c: 5.4%
- Fasting insulin: 11.8 uIU/mL
Summary:
No evidence of diabetes or prediabetes.
THYROID
- TSH: 0.74 mIU/L
- Free T4: 1.2 ng/dL
Summary:
Measured thyroid markers were within range.
BASELINE HORMONES
- Total testosterone: 360 ng/dL
- Free testosterone: 41.6 pg/mL
- Ultrasensitive estradiol: 18 pg/mL
- SHBG: 35 nmol/L
- LH: 2.5 mIU/mL
- FSH: 2.2 mIU/mL
- Prolactin: 3.3 ng/mL
- PSA: 0.46 ng/mL
Summary:
Total and free testosterone were within the laboratory range but toward the lower end. Estradiol, SHBG, prolactin and PSA were within range.
VITAMINS / NUTRITION
- Vitamin D: 25 ng/mL — insufficient
- Vitamin B12: 265 pg/mL — low-normal
- Folate: 3.6 ng/mL — borderline low
- Ferritin: 189 ng/mL
- Iron saturation: 33%
Summary:
Vitamin D was insufficient, folate was borderline low and B12 was low-normal. Iron markers were normal.
OVERALL BASELINE SUMMARY
- Liver function: normal
- Kidney function: normal
- Electrolytes: normal
- CBC and hematocrit: normal
- Blood glucose and A1c: normal
- Triglycerides: good
- Primary concern: elevated LDL, ApoB and non-HDL combined with low HDL
- Nutritional concerns: insufficient vitamin D, borderline-low folate and low-normal B12
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MONITORING PLAN
- Check blood pressure at least once per week
- Check fasting blood sugar at least once per week under similar conditions
- Update my coach weekly with blood pressure, blood sugar, side effects and overall progress
- Repeat comprehensive bloodwork after the first month of the cycle
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PLANNED REPEAT BLOODWORK AFTER MONTH ONE
COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT
- CBC with differential and platelets
- Red blood cell count
- Hemoglobin
- Hematocrit
- White blood cell count
- Platelet count
COMPREHENSIVE METABOLIC PANEL / KIDNEY / ELECTROLYTES
- Fasting glucose
- BUN
- Creatinine
- eGFR
- Sodium
- Potassium
- Chloride
- Carbon dioxide
- Calcium
- Total protein
- Albumin
- Globulin
- Albumin/globulin ratio
LIVER AND MUSCLE MARKERS
- AST
- ALT
- Alkaline phosphatase
- Total bilirubin
- Direct bilirubin
- GGT
- CK
LIPIDS / CARDIOVASCULAR
- Total cholesterol
- LDL cholesterol
- HDL cholesterol
- Triglycerides
- Non-HDL cholesterol
- Cholesterol/HDL ratio
- Apolipoprotein B
- Lipoprotein(a)
- hs-CRP
GLUCOSE / METABOLIC HEALTH
- Hemoglobin A1c
- Fasting insulin
THYROID
- TSH
- Free T4
HORMONES
- Total testosterone by LC/MS
- Free testosterone
- Ultrasensitive estradiol by LC/MS/MS
- SHBG
- Prolactin
- LH
- FSH
PROSTATE
- PSA
IRON STUDIES
- Iron
- TIBC
- Iron saturation
- Ferritin
VITAMINS / NUTRITION
- Vitamin D
- Vitamin B12
- Folate
- RBC magnesium
URINE / KIDNEY SCREENING
- Complete urinalysis
- Random urine albumin
- Random urine creatinine
- Urine albumin/creatinine ratio
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MAIN CONCERNS / QUESTIONS
- LIPIDS AND CARDIOVASCULAR RISK
My LDL is already 121, ApoB is 102, non-HDL cholesterol is 137 and HDL is only 38 before starting any anabolic steroids.
Testosterone, Masteron and especially Anavar may worsen these markers.
Planned lipid support:
- Red yeast rice
- Citrus bergamot
- Berberine
- Omega-3
- CoQ10
- Curcumin
I understand that omega-3 is generally more effective for triglycerides than for LDL or HDL, and my triglycerides are already 72. I also understand that the monacolin K content of the red yeast rice is not disclosed.
Question:
Considering my baseline results and planned support supplements, how concerning is the potential for further LDL/ApoB elevation and HDL suppression?
- CLENBUTEROL + RETATRUTIDE / CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS
Retatrutide is intended to provide most of the appetite control and sustained fat loss.
Clenbuterol would be taken at 20 mcg every morning throughout the full 20–24 weeks. It may provide additional stimulant-related fat-loss effects, but it may also increase heart rate, blood pressure, arrhythmia risk and electrolyte stress.
Retatrutide may also increase heart rate and can cause reduced food intake, vomiting, diarrhea or dehydration.
Planned support:
- Magnesium
- Potassium
- CoQ10
- Omega-3
I understand that these supplements do not prevent tachycardia, arrhythmias or high blood pressure.
Question:
Does clenbuterol provide enough additional benefit alongside retatrutide to justify using it every day for the entire 20–24 weeks?
- ANAVAR + RED YEAST RICE / LIVER AND MUSCLE STRESS
My baseline liver markers are normal.
Anavar would be taken at 20 mg before approximately 3 weekly workouts throughout the full 20–24 weeks.
Anavar may worsen lipids and place stress on the liver. Red yeast rice may act similarly to a low-dose statin when it contains a meaningful amount of monacolin K, potentially adding liver-enzyme or muscle-related risk.
Planned support:
- NAC: 1,200 mg daily
- Milk thistle phytosome: 360 mg daily
- Curcumin: 400 mg daily
- CoQ10: 200 mg daily
I understand that these products do not guarantee protection.
Question:
Is combining Anavar with red yeast rice reasonable, or does red yeast rice create unnecessary liver and muscle overlap while attempting to manage Anavar-related lipid changes?
- HEMATOCRIT AND BLOOD PRESSURE
My baseline hematocrit is 46.8%, hemoglobin is 15.3 and RBC count is 5.17, so I am not starting with erythrocytosis.
Testosterone and Masteron may still increase red-blood-cell production and blood pressure over a 20–24-week cycle.
Planned cardiovascular support:
- Omega-3
- Magnesium
- CoQ10
- Curcumin
I understand that none of these directly prevents androgen-related erythrocytosis.
Question:
Is repeating the CBC after the first month early enough to identify a meaningful rise in hematocrit, and what increase would be considered concerning?
- FULL 20–24-WEEK DURATION AND OVERALL COMPLEXITY
The current plan is for testosterone, Masteron, Anavar, HCG, retatrutide, MOTS-c and clenbuterol to all be used throughout the full 20–24 weeks.
Anavar would be taken before approximately 3 weekly workouts. Clenbuterol would be taken every morning. HCG would be taken twice weekly, MOTS-c Monday through Friday and retatrutide once weekly.
Retatrutide is not new for me. I have already used it for approximately 7 months while reducing my weight from around 280 lbs to approximately 160 lbs, and I gradually titrated to my current dosage of 5.5 mg per week.
Question:
Is running all of these compounds throughout the entire 20–24 weeks appropriate for a first anabolic cycle, or are Anavar, clenbuterol, MOTS-c or any other components better limited or removed because of cumulative lipid, liver, cardiovascular or other health concerns?
- POST-CYCLE PLAN
My coach has told me that he has a post-cycle plan prepared, but I have not yet received the specific protocol.
I plan to follow up with him before starting so I understand exactly what is intended after the 20–24-week cycle.
Question:
What information should I make sure is included in the post-cycle plan, and should the complete plan be established before beginning the cycle?
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TL;DR
You do not need to answer each specific question above individually. They are mainly included to show the areas I am most concerned about.
General feedback on the proposed cycle, dosages, duration, supplement stack, baseline bloodwork, training structure, monitoring plan and post-cycle planning would be greatly appreciated.
I am especially interested in whether the overall plan appears reasonable for a first anabolic cycle, whether anything seems unnecessary or overly complicated, and whether any changes should be made before I commit to it.
Any honest advice, concerns or suggestions are welcome.
Thanks ahead of time for spending your time on this post!
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hm im around 16-17% BF at this weight you're suggesting i should bulk at this range? i'd assume it's still fat from my understanding around 10% is the range one should potentially start. But i'm completely new to all this so i'm gathering as much info as i can now and learning.
and yes i completely agree with everyone here they did lay it out for me and i appreciate it
What are you cutting down to show? You have no muscle. Youre going to be a 135lb skeleton. Trade the bike in for a while, get in the gym 5 days a week and start eating a SMALL surplus. Once you fill out a bit then decide the next route
well i was cutting because i remember reading that you should be lower BF % before starting a cycle due to aromatization etc so my initial plan was to hit 10% BF and have a coach guide me through a cycle to basically bulk from there. So i found a coach through social media who seemed knowledgeable to a newbie like me (obviously i now know he isn't) and was planning to start that cycle when i hit 10%; but after seeing all these comments and guidance i need to relook everything and basically lock in with my nutrition, amount of days in the gym, my bloods etc.
but based on what you're saying i should stop cutting and be in a small surplus? i have no problem with that, it does make sense like why cut to be a skeleton like you said lol not going be able to show much. okay i'll start from there do you think i can run a test only cycle while doing so? or just avoid in general for now?
This is just my opinion: Id slow down on the biking, then get on and stick to a real lifting plan. As a beginner, you should make good gains on any plan you choose, as long as you push yourself and stick to it for a few months. During this time, add calories back in. Not crap calories, just more good food (chicken and rice never fails). If I were to guess, you would probably look pretty good if you simply added muscle while at 16-17% BF, its really not terribly high.
THEN, after these few months of dialed in eating, lifting, and recovery (sleep!!), re-evaluate your goals.
Now, your test levels are pretty low. So if you wanted to start a trt dose plan, I wouldnt be against that. 100mg a week to see how your body responds.
Thats all i got, you need to dial in the base first. Then really think about your goals.
gotcha okay that makes sense! i'll lock in clean up my diet, get my bloods in order, and add more days in the gym and push myself further! next few months then maybe i'll hop on a test cycle and yeah my levels are a bit low i was thinking my current level was hindering me but i wasn't sure if my test level is suppressed due to being over weight then the massive weight loss.
thank you i appreciate the advice i'm going to follow through!
Your coach has you doing way too much for a first cycle. 24 weeks at even just 200mg/wk test, assuming it’s your first time ever touching anabolics, would make DRASTIC changes assuming your diet and training were of the proper level of someone using steroids.
The supplements you’re taking won’t do anything to offset the lipid impact you’re going to experience running the mast and the var (even just 3x per week). Seeing as you’re already starting off in a bad place concerning your lipids this is a very bad idea. Get that apo(b) under control. Your lipo A is already high, and that’s just a genetic thing. At the very least, contact a teledoc and show them those lipid levels and get them to prescribe you icosapent ethyl (4g per day) and ezetimibe (10mg/day). Those two will likely do it. But you could also throw a statin in there like pitavastatin. Pita is the least likely to give the bad muscle aches.
I’m sorry to say this, but your coach doesn’t seem very knowledgeable. Hopefully you aren’t spending a pretty penny on him
I’m sure others will chime in here too…like an Asian bear creature with a “Guru” tag. And he’ll give a significantly longer, more detailed, and thorough response than mine.
check this out my "coach" just saw my message regarding me saying i posted this cycle on eroids and everyone is strongly against it and they're all very experienced and they made very valid points especially regarding my current bloods and the multi compounds in this first cycle and honestly many other things.
this was his response that he left on my whatsapp via voice message:
"yeah to be honest i wouldn't be too worried you know if you wouldn't have guidnace i would agree with them i would also say low dose of Test start there and be extremely cautious but its different when you have guidance and if you have dialed everything in like diet, training, cardio, recovery and keep in mind test and mast is a very good combo and mast is very mild in terms of sides effect profile and helps mediate sides of estrogen aswell and anavar is just pre-workout if this was without guidance like me not getting daily BP/sugar/daily updates from you and you not following my guidance yeah i'd agree with them but in this case they aren't correct"
man lol
yeah i had a feeling the cycle was a bit much thats why i came here for advice from what i've read most people start out with a test only cycle so i was wondering why'd he jump me on what seems to be a somewhat legit cycle so i wanted to get yall's advice before i hop on.
and yeah those lipids were what worried me the most about the cycle as they directly would be effected when they were already in a not so great place.
thanks i'll reach a teledoc or a doc and try to get them to prescribe those.
yeah i paid him like $120 his rates like 120/month but its not a big deal i have a pretty decent career i'm just looking to change my lifestyle and physique at this point in my life.
thank you for the time and advice! i'll def do as you suggested and take what you said serious!
The money isn’t too concerning. I spend more than $120/month on just eggs lol. However, you don’t deserve to be taken advantage of, and that seems like what this coach is doing. I have no problem with you getting a coach, but this particular one should be kicked to the curb.
thanks man i honestly really appreciate it i feel like this guy would of got me killed if i followed his advice...
btw how do you or does one in general find a legit coach then? because from what i've seen atleast as a newbie its hard to know whose legit and whose not..i don't even know where to start with something like that because most of the people that actually say they are coachs seem like the guy i went with just now and most of the legit coaches i'd assume are probably not as out there as the fakes.
Just look at their credentials. Folks who have competed at a high level will have picked up plenty along the way. Though, honestly, a casual gym bro doesn’t need a steroid cycle coach. You’d be better off with someone designing a workout and nutrition plan for you. If you aren’t stepping on stage, you’ll never need to be manipulating drugs for a very specific look. Try different compounds one at a time. Start low. Log how it makes you feel and you’ll develop a sense of what works for you. Everyone reacts to gear differently and that’s why there’s no “one cycle fits all” type deal. Some get horrible anxiety on equipoise. I don’t. Some get drastic E2 suppression on primo. I don’t. Some get horrible hair loss on mast. I don’t. NPP gives me “tren rage.” But you’ll never know until you try each compound you’re interested in individually and keep track of how each one affects you. First couple cycles only need to be test at various doses. I wouldn’t even start at 500mg/wk like many here have suggested. I’d start at like 300mg. Because each subsequent cycle you’re going to have to add more. No need to jump straight in the deep end first time testing the waters here.
yeah that completely makes sense man! thanks for your time i really apperciate the guidance i know yall don't have to do all this but you all potentially saved my life
just one last question should i just start a Test E only cycle now at lower dosage like 300mg/week like you suggested here or should i wait til im lower BF %? outside of cardiovasular issues with cycles that i see i also do fear getting gyno/cystic acne while this may just be a beginner cycle i think it can still run those risks? for acne i'm just assuming take accutane but idk how to deal with potential gyno or how to avoid it to begin with i've seen those gyno surgeries those scars are narly :(
The more body fat you have the more you will aromatize. So yes your risk of gyno development would be higher if you didn’t have the tools on hand to manage e2. Get yourself some aromasin. Gyno doesn’t happen overnight and the itch you’ll feel in your nips is unmistakable. But at least get bloodwork before you pop that aromasin, so you know exactly what that dose puts your e2 at before taking an AI. Don’t necessarily have to wait for the results to get back to take the AI, because it’s taking quest 2 weeks to turn around ultra sensitive e2 tests these days. 12.5mg should suffice and should make the nipple feeling go away. It’s very hard to crush your e2 with aromasin but crushed e2 absolutely sucks. So don’t overdo the AI.
got it! man ive got alot to learn i'll keep scouring these forums and asking questions/learning thank you!
'An Asian Bear Creature - LMFAOOOOO
i was actually going through the forums just now and noticed that big panda guy calling you out to be a potential coach (i know you stated you aren't one) but your knowledge level is up there for sure especially if someone as known as that guy called you out!
based on these comments i know now a coach really isn't necessary for a first cycle and i can get/gain the knowledge needed by asking here; but having one would def ease my mind especially as knowledgeable as you are i'm definitely committed and willing to learn! if you ever decide to coach or willing to guide people atleast on a potential cycle so they don't fck up like i was about to lol def let me know!
Haven't seen panda much lately. Hope all is well
First cycle is testosterone only. Quit relying on reddit and chat gpt (your "coach", let's be honest) to cycle design for you.
But you're only planning to lift 3 days per week? So why bother at all. You don't have time? Too lazy? You obviously aren't killing it in the gym now at a whopping 160lbs... So why get on gear at all? Most committed guys here are in the gym 5-6-7 days a week, sometimes twice a day, agonizing about macros and little details, it's their life outside work and family .You think you're gonna hop on some juice and waltz into the gym 3 days a week and get jacked? GTFO here.
Fuckin dickhead.
Best response. Thumbs for you
Same bigcoachken
Now now - Don't be nasty Milky
I'm a nasty man
i dont have a problem going in more to the gym no worries there i was just giving what i'm currently doing in the gym during my weight loss journey i don't plan on starting my cycle until i hit around 10% BF to be frank.
and yeah im only 160lbs i was 280lbs 6-7 months ago i think i am killing it in my own way but im def trying to do better thats why i'm also here to get guidance to be the best version of myself.
We all start from somewhere but thank you for clarifying first cycle is test only.
Test only. See how your body handles test by itself. Later on down the line add in compounds one at a time to see how they affect how you feel, your bloods, your gains, hairline etc. Don't go and jump on a zillion things all at once.
Test is best.
Eat to grow. <- that's going to be the hardest part for you coming from being fat. You will see the scale jump 10lbs in 4 days from a glycogen rush and you will immediately pull back. Waste your entire cycle potentially.
Go in with a simple cycle and macro parameters mapped out to lean gain in a slight surplus. Prepare mentally to agonize at the scale so you don't jump ship. It's going to go up. And keep an eye on your BP and bloods.
And get in the gym 5-6 days a week, lifting for at least 5 and working on core, cardio as well.
Got it!
i'll continue to hit the gym and go more consistently when i hit a lower BF (probably around 10%) i'll try the test only and see how my body handles it and as suggested potentially add other compounds down the line but to be frank i think i'd need to find a coach to assist with that but im going to need to figure out how to find a legit coach i dont mind spending as long as it puts me in the right place.
but i got it thank you very much for sharing your knowledge! i'll def kick that coach to the curb.
Just stay here. Ask questions along the way. There's more knowledge among all these guys (for free) than you're going to find anywhere.
A lot of it is trial and error - but test only first cycle is one that is cemented in stone.
Good luck
thanks bro! appreciate it! will def do so!
A Coach recommended a 3 compound 1st Cycle to you?
How much is this guy charging/extorting you for this information?
Probably $8/month for the cheapest chat gpt plan id guess.
haha its not that much im paying like $120/month he has social media accounts and he's spreads info/awareness about cycles/compounds and their risks he never really spoke about what to use and stuff so i'd assume because it would breach most social media TOS but i reached out to him after a while and he said he does coaching aswell so i decided to try him out.
but based off your tone it seems like this is a terrible first cycle advised by a "coach"
My 16 year old daughters have social media accounts. I guess they can coach people on AAS use as well.
Lol we know a guy that does that. You know what I'm talking about..
well how do you differ between someone who is knowledgeable or not as someone who is a newbie? because he does seem knowledgeable to a person who has never done any form of AAS i'm pretty sure you've seen people on social media who sound convincing but spew fallacies right and the reason you know they're wrong/fallacies is because you aren't a newbie? So to a person who doesn't know they will get put on the wrong path...thats why i came here to confirm with a community that does know and i'm glad i did because it confirmed my weariness.
i mean i can provide you his social media w.e so you can check him out to understand what i'm saying he typically goes over risks of AAS so he never spewed anything regarding how to take cycles (im assuming because that would breach TOS) but his knowledge about risks of AAS seemed legit to a newbie like me so i personally DM'd him and asked him if he coaches and he said yeah and now here we are lol
Do some fucking research instead of listening to the first dipshit that says something you like.
i did? this is part of my research lol thats kind of why i came here to follow up on the weariness of what he said...its not like i started a cycle..
You paid the guy so yes you did.
i mean i got scammed if anything but you're right i need to do more research and thats what im doing thank you for posting all your useful advice so far though in order for me to make progress in my research i'll take notes of every useful point you made.
Yeah. You won’t have any long term success with your poor attitude and laziness. Hope you saved your clothes from when you were pushing 300.
Lol congrats on the "pending moderation" tag!
Yea. Satanicfinger is getting him banned. Nice knowing you buddy.
It’s been a fun ride
only person with an attitude here is you, grow up weirdo maybe one day you'll be successful at something and stop projecting on others you literally go to beginner forums section to put people down when they're looking for advice srsly not sure why you're even here but gtfo and get a life
Hitting that thumbs down button is gonna get you a motherfucking WAVE of hate from an entire virtual village.
I'd start unclicking those if I were you.
Just a friendly heads up.
Welcome to the thunder dome.
its fine if i get hate this guy has been negative for no reason i've been reasonable in general and taking feedback from everyone and genuinely trying to learn aswell as trying to be positive in order to progress but now he's trying to get personal and to top it off he's provided absolutely no advice but attacks on me like thats srsly weird to go to a beginner forum/thread and just bash people when they're trying to improve he should get banned for this kind of behavior...it'd be one thing if he provided some legit advice and bashed me but he cant even do that...and he does this all over the forums...he's srsly a weirdo that gets a kick out of putting beginners down.
Lol ok then.
@randomdude you should srsly be banned for this behavior you fucking piece of shit sicko.
lol..
Cancel your subscription mate - he's taking the piss out of you.
You don't need him, you can get all the help you need here. Just run a Testosterone E cycle ONLY as your first Rodeo for 16 weeks at 400mg to 500mg/wk - thats all you need to evaluate how you respond to Test by itself. NEVER run 3 compounds on a first cycle mate - nowhere near needed. Yeah, I am sure he ain't gonna give you the PCT plan just yet as he wants you to keep paying your fee till then!!!
PCT is just HCG for 20 days EOD at 500mcg and 5 weeks worth of All in 1 PCT tabs - nothing hard to conjure up unlike he's making it sound.
aw jeez ok i'll def cancel him then thanks man i'm glad i came here before jumping on i felt a bit worried that he suggested some of those with my lipids as it is so i felt i had to run over here and get advice.
i completely agree with you all test only looks good in order to see how my body responds to test, what sides ill potentially face, and whether estrogen,acne, bloods etc become a problem with it alone rather than stacking multiple potential issues.
and regarding PCT thanks man i really appreciate the clarity there HCG every other day at 500mcg, but i don't really understand what you mean when you say HCG every other day for 20 days, do you mean beginning immediately after the final testosterone injection, or after waiting for the testosterone enanthate to clear my system? Also, did you mean 500 IU rather than 500 mcg?
I hope Ai wrote all that for you, and that you did not just waste all that time on this.
yeah it did i just put the info in for it and asked it to compile my info in a certain context and reviewed it and kept editing it until it seemed good/covered what i wanted to cover/convey, why is there an issue? I'm pretty new here so i may of missed something, but i glossed over the rules i don't think i breached any of the rules or did i miss something.