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I believe they are $40 but I’m not a 100% about that.
I see so much slander about underdosed gear or bad bloods but never backed up by hplc. I only see hplc come back at labeled dose or overdosed. I just sent keys test, primo, and mast to jano and will post the results. I started these compounds couple weeks ago and as of right now, they fuckin slap.
When the only thing I’ve changes was the test, then coming down 600point on bloods, you tend to point in the only direction of what you changed….
Someone has the batch I have already being sent out. So we’ll see.. and batch numbers don’t mean shit, they have been mislabeled before from what I’ve heard.
Yeah 100% I’m not saying your situation is invalid. Have you added any other androgens when you switched the test for keys test? Did you switch from a shorter ester? Also, I don’t think key is trying to do anything nefarious with the batch numbers. He’s not “mislabeling them”, they simply stopped updating the labels to match the current batch. So you can’t say someone else has your batch and that’s what’s in YOUR vial. Just test it yourself bro, key literally gives you whatever you spend back..
I actually think you guys both make valid points. Mast can definitely lower SHBG, and that could affect total T a bit. But I also don’t think that’s enough to automatically explain a big drop by itself.
That’s why I wanted to control as many variables as possible. I ran full labs before switching to Key’s gear, then ran another set this past Monday. Literally nothing changed except the source. Same Test E, same daily pins, same AI, same protocol. The only difference is I actually bumped my dose slightly from 500 mg/week to 525 mg/week, so if anything I’d expect my total and free T to be about the same or maybe a little higher.
Hopefully the labs come back today and we can stop guessing. They’ll either support the gear or they won’t.
Standing by!!
I understand but if that’s the case then batch numbers become irrelevant and then EACH vial would need to be sent out to really know what’s in it, then that becomes a QC situation. Sure I can send my one suspected vial out, but then what; not suspect the rest of my inventory to be bad and potentially good??
The only thing I changed was the source, I’ve always done TestE.
And dosage stayed the same and daily pinning..
I added 1:1 mast that’s it..
I’m only going off ACTUAL bloodwork and what I’ve done in the past. And the difference what his test.
Hahaaaa you added masteron and your total testosterone goes down. Anytime you add another androgen your total testosterone always will always go down brother. Less shbg more free T less total T. Also about the QC thing, I totally agree. But I think the odds of getting two different batches when they I’m sure they brew very large batches is pretty slim. Atleast I hope
That is not how total testosterone works. Free testosterone is included within total testosterone, so increasing the free percentage does not automatically subtract from the total. Lowering SHBG may alter the free-to-total relationship and possibly clearance to some degree, but adding Masteron does not universally make total T fall, and it is not a reasonable explanation for a 600 ng/dL drop on the same testosterone dose, ester, and injection schedule.
Yeah free t is included within your total test but when your shbg is lower than before, your hormones are much more free and able to be used and cleared faster. He has much less reservoir of hormone due to less shbg so his lab test will yield less total testosterone, as it was used more efficiently and not bound up and building (shbg) to be displayed on a test if that makes sense.
This go around my shbg on mast was 11 before mast - 21
Really?! By THAT much? I was about 600 points higher without it.. I thought mast didn’t affect total T.
Well shit…
I’ve seen thousands of blood tests for testosterone and IGF-1, and I’ve consistently noticed that adding certain injectable and oral steroids lowers levels of both total testosterone and IGF-1; you guys should run HPLC tests instead of coming here and acting like jerck.
Ok, I retract my previous arguments and will test out the increased dose.
Another user has already sent out the same batch that I have. So it doesn’t make sense to send it out.
First time adding mast so my test base so yea it was alarming for me to see the drop.. especially after what I had gone through recently with bunk shit, so forgive my ignorance…
What I do notice differently though is when I mix both mast and Keys test in my pins, there is very little resistance on the plunger when reliving the air bubble.
As opposed to when I mixed my previous test oil with mast, there was more resistance and an increased difficulty getting the air out.
But we’ll see, last night I bumped it up to 425mg/week for both and retesting in 2 weeks
Exactly bro. That’s why the first thing I asked was if he added another androgen haha
First time professional here lmao
Yup. Mostly dhts though as they’re harder on shbg than other drugs. But hey you get to increase your test now lol
So I’ll test this out, I’ll increase the dose on both and see where I’m at in two weeks w/ another bloodwork.
Lol that was the plan after checking stability on this go around of Bloodwork.
So far I’ve been doing bloods every 3-4weeks and increasing by small margins to find my threshold of mast. First go around on it and an additional compound.
You the man. What batch of test do you have?
So I’m not sure if the batch numbers really mean anything but my test e batch is EN1103, Primo is ME1103, and the Mast E is MS1103.
Perfect. I have test 1103 as well. Let us know brother!!!!!
Will do man just tag or or reply to this thread in like a week or two if I forget lol
How does the primo slap a couple weeks in? Lol.
Haha, one, I’ve used this primo before and tested it and came back perfect. Also, if you can’t feel or see your drugs within a couple weeks going from trt natty to blast, then maybe look into your gear/training.
Do you have your primo test results from the past? Can't see you ever posted them here.
And the test cyp and mast prop are from a different shit source so don’t worry lol
So you multiply each result by 3. See keys primo came out to 33mg/ml so it’s actually 100. Also the only reason I covered the QR is bc I forgot to put my name tag smh. I made sure my new test had my name tag so I can post it QR code and all
Thanks, I was about to say those were super low, but makes sense if each compound was at 1/3 a ml.
Yea I still have it. I sent it with two other compounds from a different source in one blend