+ 3 Looking for feedback on bulk cycle
Cut should be winding down here in the next few weeks here as I’m getting close to goal and then looking to switch to a lean bulk start of Oct. Trip planned for Mexico in February so the plan is to run the below cycle and then switch to a low dose Test cruise with a cut and add in some Var starting 4 weeks before departure.
|Test Cyp|400mg |133mg Mon/Wed/Fri
|Primo E |600mg |300mg Sun/Wed
|Mast P |300mg |100mg Mon/Wed/Fri
|NPP |350mg |116.7mg Mon/Wed/Fri
|GH |6IU |Daily 7pm
|Caber |0.25mg|2x/week
|Reta |4mg |1x/week (Helps fight the sweet tooth and junk food cravings)
I’ve mainly been cycling Test/Primo/GH for the last 6 months so this is obviously switching things up. HDL is at at 47, Hema at 49%, and the rest of the lipid panel is solid.
Planning on supporting with the following:
|Rosuvastatin|10MG
|NAC |1000mg|
|One A Day Multi|1 tab|
|Boron|3mg
|Cialis|5mg Daily
|Nordic Naturals Omega 2X|3 softgels|
|D3 5000IU + K2|1 cap|
|Niacin ER|1000mg (2 tabs)
|TUDCA|500mg
|Milk Thistle|300mg|2x daily|
|Magnesium Glycinate |800mg|
Outside of listening to my body and getting labs, anything I’m overlooking or does this seem fairly dialed in? Would love some thoughts and suggestions.
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Hell yeah that’s a solid bulker.
Why the caber? I wouldn’t add that in unless you find you’re having prolactin sides from the NPP since it carries a side effect profile of its own.
Lotta DHT, and I bet you could get by with a little more test, and saving the mast for another time, especially if you already know you respond well to test/primo/gh. Some NPP (pin it daily for best results) sounds like a great cycle. Are these doses you have run previously and worked up to? I tend to go lower and slower, but if these are numbers you have run previously, looks good to me.
You say you've been running Primo, Test, Gh for some time. What for? What was your goal? If your bloods came back good & if you had success with your previous run, why change?
You can bulk on any compound or no compounds. Just up the calories.
Also, I do not understand the 4mg of reta on a bulk. You are tall, lanky, & have a high metabolism to begin with. To bulk you will need all the calories you can get. Reta is not going to help with that.
Whatever you chose, just keep it simple. Bulking is not complex rocket science.
Focus on heavy compound preferably free weigh movements, eat like a horse, & get some good quality rest.
Reta does help a lot with lipids, however I share your sentiments. On a bulk, you don’t want anything curbing your appetite. Especially if you already struggle to hit calories
Appreciate the perspective. You start down the research rabbit hole and the bias sets in that “x” compound is better for “y goals.” Maybe I’ll take a look at simplifying the stack and seeing if my body aligns with another compound as well as primo and go from there.
Truth be told if primo wasn’t so freakin expensive and the lipids could support it, I’d run it 24x7.
Great comment!
Things you need to grow: 1.lots of food I grow really well on 2 grams of carbs per pound of body weight
2. Lots of lifting in whatever rep range works for you and increase something about each movement each session better form more time under tension more rep more weight more something.
Things that help you grow: 1. Drugs this is different for everyone like that stack has way too much dht for me and not enough test but 1600ish total mg of injectables a week would blow me up I just grew a bunch on less I am 6' 6" 255lbs waking 263lbs bedtime 10-11% bf. I grew plenty on 500test 100-250 deca or npp for a long time
2. All the random other shit people do that helps my favorite is mini cut into the bulk the only hard part is not going nut with the food when you reverse diet plans but 4mg a reta a week would have me drinking all my calories so you should be fine.
Personally I think you need less drugs and more food. The most anabolic thing you can do is eat and by being 190lbs at 6'3, I get the impression you may be lacking in this area unless you are 6% bodyfat.
What macros do you have planned?
Yeah I’ve always been the tall and lanky type. At my peak I was at 223 but that was a lot of booze and unhealthy living. Macro targets:
Protein: 220g
Fat: 90g
Carbs: 375g
All in cal: 3100
I'm happy that you're making positive changes. I'm in the same boat as you just now in that I'm looking to gain muscle. I would decrease the fats to 50g max and allocate those calories towards carbs.
Appreciate it. I’ll take a look and map that option out.
Cheers!
You can get the food down on a lean bulk with 4mg Reta? I didn’t run it during my bulk because I thought it would be too hard to eat what I needed.
I’ll chime in here to add that micro dosed Reta at 3-4mg total for the week (1mg EOD) was great for keeping insulin sensitivity while pushing calories higher and adding in growth hormone. At that dose it doesn’t have a strong appetite suppressant affect on me, but it does help with keeping things focused so at 4000kcal a day those are all clean. I liked it as an ancillary to a growth phase for that reason.
I’ve found 4mg is my sweet spot where I can eat but I don’t feel that I need it. Plus that dose seems to have lessened effect on my resting HR/HRV etc etc.
I like it. I think I would titrate up from your test/primo combo and consider EQ and Deca as substitutes for NPP and Primo. Your wallet will definitely thank you. I think your HCT has some room to run and maybe consider Nattokinse and IP6.
I do have a vial of Deca that I was planning on saving for next years bulk but yeah $-wise it is definitely a better call.
Personally I would save the primo for cutting. I think the other drugs with over shadow it. I think its much more useful cutting. But if you can afford it, go for it!
Spiral Out!
Yeah that thought crossed my mind. Currently sitting on 4 vials that I’d rather not “waste” with redundancy. I know there’s a case for keeping them in the stack but burning the Primo for little gain definitely gives me some pause.
I noticed primo works better for me than anything else for maintaining muscle in a caloric defecit. A few hundred mgs a week and I could starve myself and I wouldnt lose strength/muscle tissue. Im not financially in the position to be running casually. If ya can, why not? Not like adding it in will negatively effect your health!
I like getting as big as I can before summer and running a lower dose of primo all summer when im a little less strict with my diet/training schedule.
I got a little vacation fund im saving for TooL when they book the sphere in vegas! Ill be dammed if I miss that one!
Hell yeah! I’ve seen them every time they’ve been in town dating back to 10000 Days when I became a fan. Got my wall adorned with various show posters and unfortunately too much other merch lol.
If they play the Sphere, that is a must see. Only challenge would be convincing the wifey on why I spent a mortgage or two on tickets.
Have you had prolactin issues in the past with NPP? I wouldn’t want to run caber prophylactically. I start taking L-Tyrosine in the am and P5P in the pm for two weeks before and then the whole time I run tren or Deca and I’ve never had issues with prolactin. I’m not sure if the P5P is working or if I’m just not sensitive to it.
Apologies I meant to add an optional flag to the Caber. I haven’t had issues but I figure it’s safe to have on hand.