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Kits4Less is a USA based company on a mission to change the game of generic HGH. We aim to bridge the gap between affordability and quality with our strict lab-testing & quality control standards. Every batch of HGH is quality tested before it’s listed for sale, & we simultaneously maintain competitive pricing on our products.
OK so an update kits4less offered me a refund on 2 of the 7 kits. Which I will take. I'll have some of my other clients use the red dragon kits and post their IGF1 levels here soon. that being said I do have 2 clients on their 150iu white box kits generostim with IGF 1 levels of 321 (male taking 2iu) and 403 IGF 1 (female taking 3iu)
HGH Standard | N have 5 boxes currently running 2 to 4iu morning. Going for bloodwork what test do i ask the doc for?
HGH serum, igf1, fasting insulin levels, fasting glucose, HBa1C. Those are what you want to keep track of when running GH.
will ask for these in the coming days and get some results posted here
Well the people here will care about the igf and serum. The other stuff is for your personal health. Especially running the GH in the morning
So do we have any failed testing for this supplier? I ordered some whitecaps and now worried it was a mistake.
No. Never a failed test. Especially on the peptides. There have been underfilled and underdosed oils but that’s it.
There’s a lot of ignorance regarding the nuances of an igf blood test and a perpetuated bro science myth about X amount of IUs must get you Y result on igf.
What would you expect to see from 10iu of growth pinned daily?
Just a range is fine. Obviously it wouldn’t be exact. And everybody is different.
What does 10iu do for YOU ?
Did you see this recent test?
https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/172460-HCG_5000iu_YEBH2MJQS6AH
Makes u shredded single digits in 6 weeks if 12%bf for me
I’ve got anywhere from ~500 to 150. On this sources HGH actually back when they first showed up on eroids. I was one of the first couple of guys to buy, pin, and do multiple rounds of bloodwork to verify if they were legit.
Anywho…. That’s depending on what my thyroid was doing, how my liver was doing, what ancillaries I was running (like nolva crushes igf score), and what my diet is like (not just surplus or deficit but carb amount impacts igf conversion in the liver)
Thats why I hate when people say “oh that score sucks I get 350 off 2IU.” It is an extremely subjective value. We metabolize things drastically differently.
I’ve obviously moved on to cheaper sources but that’s not a knock of their quality of GH. Just not gonna get bent over by a middle man putting a 2-4x multiplier on their goods.
Thanks for that, it’s pretty informative. HGH is one of those things that confuses the shit out of me because it seems like there’s so many variables.
Thank you. IGF1 levels are very nuanced which I pointed out a few pages back. I just don’t have the ability to explain things in a nice and smart manner because I stoopid.
To add to this, I've used the 400iu whitebox from K4L and was at 262 in April on just 4-5 iu's daily and recently upped it to 6 iu's and last igf1 labs I did 4 weeks ago, I was only at 186. This is from the same kits, so I know its not the HGH. What I did notice is my T4 levels were abnormal low as well as my Ferritin and Iron levels. Alot of different hormones affect the process on how GH works. Also, for some reason everyone always thinks that side effects are an indication of legitimate GH. From my research and understanding, quality GH should have minimal side effects. Its actually the dimmers that can cause the sides, like hand numbing and stuff. So, more and stronger side effects are actually a result of lower quality HGH. Also, not saying this to defend K4L or nothing, as I could care less. Just sharing what I know or have experienced.
Drives me absolutely nuts when people think they should have uncomfortable side effects from GH.
I genuinely respect this response. Every bit of it.
The only thing I have to say is, there are boards outside of this one that are saying some shit and I can’t share those threads here. A google search reveals a lot. And there isn’t just one person on this board posting questionable blood work results. Are they all just shitty responders?
Nevermind that super shitty endotoxin report.
What’s the deal with all the cloudy HGH vials?
I’ve never run into that and I’ve used some unscrupulous gray market in the past.
I know the boards you speak of. I lurk on many of them. I’ll just say, and this is absolutely not defending this source, but every time I’ve seen someone test poorly, then take K4L up on sending a vial off for testing, it showed up exactly what it should be.
Now it seems, reading those other boards, Jano couldn’t even really test HGH properly. He could see purity and dimer but not oligomer, thus giving a skewed response. You could have GH not lypholyzed properly that immediately folds and forms oligomers upon reconstitution, which are all useless biologically speaking. But that’s getting into technical territory way past my pay grade. I just know the more dimer/oligomer the less effective the GH is and the 2 factories in China producing 99% of the GH on the market aren’t necessarily using all the same excipients and stabilizers that pharmaceutical companies use in theirs based on patent info. For example, pharmacy GH has a distinct smell from m-cresol. I’ve never smelled that from Chinese generics. So they obviously aren’t using the same stabilizers and preservatives that pharmacy uses. Mannitol is another one.
Good info. You’re more versed than I.
Does that account for the cloudy GH many are getting? Like I said, I haven’t seen that yet myself with gray market.
And what about the endotoxin test on the hcg?
Is that not concerning?
Is it possible kits storage practices might be sub par?
What I’m getting at is.. if it’s not the manufacturer (since there are only 2), what is happening?
Cloudiness/floaters could because the HGH monomers have finally folded/bound into big enough oligomers that you can finally see them by eye. Would be trillions of monomers, which may seem like a lot but a mole of HGH would be ~22.12kg which would be 6.022E23 molecules per avogadros constant. Therefore, a typical 10IU HGH vial (3.3 mg) would be ~9.06E16 HGH monomers. With 1 trillion being 1E12. So 4 orders of magnitude higher. Basically 0.01% of the monomers if 1 trillion bound up. So, technically speaking, it would still have viable GH in the vial and probably not lost enough to notice any difference. I can’t discern a 0.0X% difference in my dose.
I’ve injected cloudy GH and still had elevated igf levels. But we aren’t paying to get that shit. It could be significantly more than 1 trillion and now maybe 10% of the vial is in oligomers and now useless, who knows? Jano would have to measure a cloudy vial, filter the cloudiness out (maybe 0.1um? Would do it?) then measure the vial again and determine a difference between the two to see just how much we’re missing out from the polymerization.
As far as endotoxin goes. That comes from broken down cell walls of bacteria. The vial is sealed under vacuum, so however kits is storing it can’t introduce more of that. That was an issue coming from the factory. Hopefully singular bad batch? Either way it was below the acceptable threshold for what I’d be pinning based on my body weight. Those endotoxins won’t damage me as bad as this MTren I’m trying to inject. lol
Should I pin 8iu of dragon growth c and see if I feel any sides? Currently running 4iu but only for 9 days? I do have my baseline igf1
No sides with me up to 7 iu on titan, no benefits either
I got fucked on Titan too.
In what way?
Please share your purchase history and any supporting test reports with us directly at [email protected] so we can properly review and assist.
We are always willing to help customers and, when valid testing shows that an item is different from what is listed on our website, we are happy to work toward a fair resolution, including replacement where appropriate.
With you, we have not received any order details, test reports, or supporting documentation from you. Because of that, the claims being made publicly — including calling our products “bunk,” accusing us of scamming customers, and advising others not to purchase from us — appear to be unsupported and unfair.
We take quality concerns seriously, but we ask that they be handled with facts and documentation rather than public accusations. That won't lead you anywhere and only shows you're deliberately targeting a source based on facts made out of thin air.
Why aren’t you replying to @greg208 and his blood work?
I think I just don't get sides bro. Just started on keys hgh and same shit
I am similar. I don't get too many "effects" from GH, other than my FBGL going up.
I just ran out of my Standard H that I stocked up on a while back, and started running a batch of Titan that I also purchased in previous sales.
My bloods taken after running Titan for several weeks were good. IGF high, GH high.
I will post them once I redact the pertinent info.
I’m thinking after time the sides no longer hit me either….last year when I went up to 6 iu of dragons my hands were unbearable numb. Then after about 6 months no more sides at all. Then I switched to keys at 10 iu a day for a few weeks an still no numb hands