+ 9 Need Advice- 16 Yr Old Asked About Gear
Hey bros,
Super bummed about an interaction I just had. Training arms today at my local YMCA, due to time constrains I couldn't hit my normal "bodybuilding" gym.
School is out, so it's packed with high school kids. Most of them are typical broccoli heads who have no clue what they are doing, but are rocking the matching Gymshark or YoungLA outfits...I digress.
Anyway- I saw a kid who was trying to lift way too heavy and had complete shit form. Thought about offering some pointers but decided against being that old guy. He ended up talking to a buddy of mine (not on gear, who is thick as fuck...genetically gifted black dude) and my buddy sent him over to talk to me.
He asked if he could ask me a question. I said sure, what's up. He goes "I need advice about being 16 and on 250 test a week." I asked him if he wanted my honest opinion and he said yes.
I told him he's way too young and was about to lay into him and tell him what a retard he is. But I decided to probe a little more. To make this story not drag on here are the highlights.
-His cycle, which he just started this week, is 1 shot of 250mg Test/week for 3 months.
-I told him if he took only one shot to stop immediately as he can easily recover from that.
-He then asked about PCT. I told him again to stop now and he won't need PCT.
-I gave him an overview of why it's a poor choice at 16.
-He's 16. 155lbs. And just wants to be jacked.
-I told him to eat more. He said he tried that and got fat. I told him stop eating shit, and he wouldn't get fat.
-He has serious body dysmorphia, he's about 5'10 and 155, and thinks he's too fat. Told him to do some cardio. He said it didn't work.
-The kid had an excuse for everything...kind of frustrating, but I get it, he's 16 and knows everything.
-To wrap this up- I gave him my IG and told him to message me so I can help him. I am a personal trainer and nutritionist, and also own a TRT clinic, so not an expert, but also not a complete moron.
- I offered to build him a diet and training plan if he agreed to hop off the test.
Here's where I need you guys!
-Any tips/tricks with diet or training you wish someone had told you at 16?
Something about this kid really makes me want to help him. He seemed super lost.
Anyways, sorry for the rant, but it bummed me out that this kid gave up so easily and hopped on gear.
Thanks!
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unseen423Bros, little update here!
Some positive news I think. Put together a simple PPL workout plan for 12 weeks, and a 4 week diet plan for my new buddy.
Met up with him at the YMCA today and walked him through the pull day. Super light weights, demonstrating proper form for him.
Gave him a log book, a tub of protein, and had another buddy who is a retired bodybuilder give him a little pep talk on consistency and embracing the lifestyle if he really wants to get big.
Overall, very positive experience. He sent me a really nice message after thanking me for the help and promising to keep training hard!
Last sidenote- social media is fucking these kids up bad. He also was taking Reta at 16 and 155lbs bc he thought it would give him abs. He got all this info from Instagram and was quoting shit the Tren Twins were spouting off.
Thanks to all who chimed in here- great group of guys! I'll keep you updated on how he is doing!
At his age, chicken and rice. When I was 16, I thought that shit was a made-up myth. Then, a couple of months later, 225, 275, 315 all in under a year. At 225 when I was 16. But at the same time, genetics, everybody thought my dad was giving me juice because we were just bigger guys. I hopped on juice before my dad did. He is 49 starting trt.
Edit: still swear by chicken and rice, I just mix it with different sauces.
Man I just read through this thread, and you obviously have everything covered. I just wanted to say that this interaction might be the thing that lights the fire and motivates this kid for the rest of his life, who knows. Hat off to you on how you handled, and are continuing to handle the situation!
This is all to do with Generational age differences and what World we each grew up in. I am a little older than most on here, probably a decade older but during my later teenage years 16 plus when I properly began training first time round - there was NO social media or Youtube constantly pushing people who trained or did Bodybuilding in your face every single hour.
If you lifted weights back then you did it because you genuinely enjoyed the feeling of Grinding ass with weights, struggling with reps, getting skin splitting pumps and feeling FUCKIN GREAT but beaten up afterwards. You bought all the Bodybuilding Mags like FLEX and Musclemag and you read each page front to back trying to learn as much as you could from the guys interviewed in it.
You were over the moon if month to month you noticed you were getting 'a little big bigger and could add a few more kg's to the bar each week - thats all you needed to see to make you genuinely feel like you were progressing. Yeah you would continually ask yourself how the FUCK the guys in Flex magazine looked like they lived on a different Universe to yours and how in the hell they could rep 3 plate per side bench presses, some even with 4 but you just silently said to yourself they have a little secret somewhere along the line OR they took Steroids which you knew absolutely NOTHING about, and to be honest they sounded that scary you didn't want to know anything about them either.
This in turn is a STARK contrast to 99% of the kids that are going to the gym today. They don't really wanna bust ass in the gym to the point of exhaustion, couldn't care less about lifting hard cold Iron disks day in day out and certainly don't have the time to learn all about eating/nutrition/sleeping right/supplements. Hell they can't even be arsed to learn about Steroids and what each one does - All they know is they wanna look great, and realistically for them that should be happening within 1 to 2 months. Hence they need to get on steroids ASAP.
I commend you mate for giving this guy some solid advice and persuading him to get off the Test ASAP - I'm not sure how long you will succeed in doing that for or even if he will tell you the truth on what he is or isn't taking but I think the only proper way he can learn is to train with you for a few weeks to a month, and you possibly write down some sample meal plans for the day along with protein supps he should be taking etc. Because most of these kids don't have the passion or desire for lifting like we did they simply won't ever read and invest hours of personal time learning about all this stuff - you see them when they post up basic questions on here they could of found the answers to in 5 minutes if they had bothered to look on Google. It will be interesting to see how things pan out with him in a month or so's time
unseen423You're spot on, brother...the generation differences are massive. The earliest itineration of Facebook arrived when I was already in college, so we didn't have to deal with all that bullshit.
For me at that age it was sugar. As long as sugar was practically non existent from my diet I could eat just about as much as I wanted and was putting on just muscle just as fast.
Really interesting read, and I can probably offer some insight since I'm closer to that 16 year old's age than most people here. When I was 16-17 I started lifting as a joke, not taking it seriously at all. Sugary Gatorades, pre-workouts, junk food, staying up late, all the typical stuff.
It wasn't until recently I started noticing what the older guys were complaining about. Kids skipping the foundational work entirely and jumping to more gear than I've ever touched, and I've been on doctor prescribed TRT for two and a half to three years. They're just trying to accelerate everything. Marathon not a sprint, as always.
What you did here was the most responsible thing you could have done. He still has the natural capability to grow without taking such a drastic approach when his body is probably already doing most of the work.
The issue is these kids are lost. Low self-esteem, poor guidance, influencer comparisons, gear being easily accessible, it all feeds into it. But the answer is still the boring stuff. Macros, sleep, water, a decent training split, and patience. The real root problem is that dopamine receptors at 16 are completely fried from social media and instant gratification. They want results tomorrow.
Teach him patience however you can. Right now he's a sponge, this is the best time to instill that. The goal should be getting him to a point where he doesn't need your advice at all. That's when you know you've done your job.
Fuckin dumb kid. Peak age to really start packing it on easily just by eating, sleeping, and lifting heavy. Hell. That combination works at any age. Hopefully he listens to you.
I can tell you her is using the excuses because he did not put in the work or give it enough time he is expecting the results over night. You know what would help him the most and it would have helped me a ton, that is if someone who knew what they were doing would have taken me under their wing and had me workout with them. Show me the work outs each day for the different muscle groups and proper form. In a few weeks he will start to see results and it will start to change his way of thinking.
unseen423I agree 100%, that’s the plan- get him a program then work with him until he’s comfortable with it!
if he likes junk food, tell him to eat honeybuns with peanut butter as his cheat meal or whatever its called. at least then he will get carbs and protein vs like swiss rolls and that kind kf garbage which is just straight sugar n garbage. amd show him some pictures of people that didnt do gear right that have big man boobs and saggy skin and be like this is whats gonna happen to you if you start this young. at least try to delay his enivatable start of gear.
unseen423yep- thats the plan. Scared Straight style!
I fucking love PEDs and think people should use if they want, but at the right time. I've been messaging with him on IG, and basically told him what @-Infidel- told his son about hair loss, gyno, shutdown, and becoming a low IQ retard. He agreed to stop immediately as "he doesnt want to fuck up the rest of his life".
BIG WIN- going to get him a nice PPL and diet written up and then go train with him next week, as his form is dogshit and he needs some help on that front too.
Kids have been ruined by social media
unseen423100%
I wish anyone would've td me anything instead of figuring it out myself. I'm gonna say with what you've done already your awesome. And since he seems to have the performance enhancement bug, maybe hype up creatine... just so he's "on" something to feel special.
unseen423Yep, that's on my list of stuff for him! Sleep, eat, lift...little protein powder, creatine, and a stimmy PWO if he really wants to get nuts.
Personally I didnt see my best till I was about 19 to 20. 16 I just looked like a boy.
unseen423Agreed. I didnt even really start lifting consistently until my sophomore year of college.
I had a weights class in high-school sophomore through senior year then I worked for my cousin to buy his weight sets from him then when I turned 19 got an actual gym membership and went nuts. Once I turned 20 I had completely changed my physique then I made the bad idea of getting into prehormones doing ahit wrong and screwed up my natural system because I was young and dumb.
You might of just saved this kids life
unseen423lets hope its not that dire, brother! I have an 8 yr old so, hope someone would do the same for him!
I have a 15 year old boy, he lifts, a super athlete, and he knows I use gear. Ive had the 'sit-down' talk with him about it, just like the "sex talk", and the "drugs talk". We even had a "porn talk".
My main talking points were 1) losing hair (strongest selling point), 2) destroyed endocrine system-not being able to reproduce ( wasn't a strong selling point) and 3) diminished brain development- ie) low IQ, (another strong selling point).
Son: Ok dad, will you support and help me cycle when I turn 26 then?
Me: We can have that discussion when the time comes, however, you will need to be married and reprodcued by then
son: Ill work on it
hahaha
I'd make him give you atleast two grandchildren. Thats what I'm demanding out of my boys just for bringing them into existence.
accidently brining them into existence*
unseen423I love it! My kids know that I run a clinic to help people and that my stuff makes muscles big lol.
But on a serious note, that's rad that you have had that talk with him. I think it's important to discuss it rather than just say, "it's bad, don't do it."