+ 9 The Deca is out, the Tren is back in. Test + EQ + GH are always in. Pulsing Drol/Dbol 2wks on/off
Test + Deca + EQ + GH + Drol/Dbol Pulse have become my go to compounds in the off season. Basically Test + Deca and just enough EQ to control E2 and keep it at the higher end of the range to get the most out of my GH and highest IGF-1 #'s. I also pulse Drol/Dbol together 2 wks on/off, sometimes 3 wks. On the off wks I'll inject Glutathione 500 -1,000mg EOD to keep everything fresh for the next pulse of orals. This has been working very well for me since I started using glutathione. I'm not going to say it's like time off in a vial, but it kinda is though. I recently fell back in love w/ Dbol. I've realized that after a deep cut and only if you've mastered staying lean year around then Dbol is absolutely amazing. But if you're over 15% bodyfat that Methyl-Estradiol will fuck you up so unless you like gyno, probably better off avoiding it unless you're shredded. I love Drol, I love Dbol so why just run one. Stacking them together is the GOAT IMO. I'm 20wks +/- into my off season and I've kept myself very lean and summer is here so I just took the Deca out and put Tren E in. Still pushing calories very high, I still consider this my off season and I'll keep hammering high carbs and using a "GDA" to keep growing into the summer. I won't elaborate on that as we don't discuss those things here. That being said I know the scale will slow down and the Tren will do what Tren does and lock my size/scale weight in while it recomps the shit out of me at the same time. Same weight, just leaner, drier, harder. I don't consider that a cut since there is no calorie deficit involved. This is one of the many benefits of keeping yourself lean year around. Once my appetite is fully shot then I'll swap the EQ out w/ Masteron and assess my body compostion. See how much of a cut I feel like I need or just some time off (cruise) to reset for the next big push. I won't go into the amounts of gear and GH I'm running for harm reduction purposes. There are times where I push things pretty hard and there are times where I back off. But I've been around the block a couple of times and I've kept myself pretty healthy. This is going to be a great summer. Hope everybody crushes their goals this year.
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You clearly know your shit man! Looking good. You should look into liposomal gluta and NACET. Injectable gluta is good, but its got its issues. It's been a little bit since I looked into everything so I don't remember exactly, but the half life in the plasma is very short (minutes) its gets rapidly broken down. Cysetine is what your body then uses but gsh synthesis is heavily limited. It's a very temporary flush and not sustainably raising intracellular gsh (way oversimplified it). It has it's uses but there's alternatives that could make a difference and are worth looking into.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. A quick google search looks like both of what you're talking about are oral formulations. Formulated to prevent breakdown by the stomach acids as they are pill form. I don't see any injectable forms of either one of those. I didn't read much further into it but being orals caps I doubt they are superior to injectable Glutathione. But who knows, maybe they have the bioavailability to do so. I'll always lean towards an injectable version of anything over a pill though. A quick read on N-acetyl-l-cysteine does seem like a good compound though.
Damn that TAN!
MT-2. Good stuff
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge bro. A lot of guys talk, but you clearly understand how to structure things long term
I’ve never stacked orals only because my stomach barely handles one. You sir are a monster. I was just enlightened to the 2 weeks on thing and I’m def gonna try it. With something like sdrol that sounds perfect to break those barriers. I love eroids for post like this. Love hearing everyone’s ways.
you must have an iron stomach to be taking drol/dbol at the same time and still being able to eat. i tip my imaginary hat to you sir.
What I've learned over the years is that for me, let's say I was running drol or dbol(or both), around 4-6wks is where it crushes my appetite. Whereas when I'm pulsing it for a 2-3wks on/off. I get to run it pretty high, get it in, use the added size/strength boost to train really hard, get it out. Never gets a chance to crush my appettite or fuck any of my health markers up too bad. Plus with the 2wks on/off you get to take advantage of running orals throughout your entire cycle. Also helps to crush the dbol/drol up and sublingual it, saves a pass on the liver and serum levels are much higher going the sublingual ROA. Even better is injectable Drol/Dbol. Also during the off season I tend the drink half my calories(carb powder/whey iso) and eat the other half. Whatever I gotta do to get those calories in is what I do. Like right now I'm sitting here chugging an empty 0.5 gallon jug I just filled with 200g carbs from fruit punch mix and 40g whey iso. That's roughly 1,000 calories. I can chug this in 30 secs and go about my day. If my appetite was shit today and I drank 6 of these, one every 2 hrs, I'd be completely happy with that. That'd be 6,000 calories from 1,200g carbs + 240g protein at the end of the day. Preferably some of those meals are rice/meat tho.
yeah im familiar with the 2 on 2 off pulses, and yeah adrol is nowhere near as liver toxic as they say it is. i never really got to try out dbol cuz i tried it one time for like 3 days and it was just WAY to much estro for me cuz im a high converter which sucks. but i do like me some drol. and i will say when you find it from a good source and the drol is clean i can go like 4-6 weeks with it. but from some sources i lose my appetite in like a week. crazy how different the same thing can ne from source to source. but still man, your a savage. this time around i probably am gonna try the carb powder, idk why i didnt sooner. whats the best type to get, i have really only seen like dextrose in stores when i happened to stumble upon it by accident. is there a better type to get? cuz im naturally skinny and have a hard time getting enough calories daily.
Ya, theres some garbage gear out there floating around. Karbolyn is a good carb powder. Cheaper to buy bulk Dextrose. Gatorade powder from walmart is great. It's a dextrose/sugar mix. Honestly whatever sugary drink mix is just fine also. Fruit punch mix, Kool-aid, Country Time, Tang, Juice, etc... In a perfect world we'd be sucking down Branch Chained Cyclic Dextrin(BCCD) all day but that shits expensive. Carbs are carbs, don't overthink it too much. They all convert to Glucose and are then eventually stored as Glycogen in the muscles. Some just hit the blood quicker than others.
i try to stay away from food dyes and the fake sugars so i probably wouldnt get koolaide or any of the crazy ones, maybe gatorade. ill figure something out. and yeah i know everything basically converts to sugar at the end of the day. i usually take slin pills, its mainly berberine. i take that to help control glucose so im not so worried about allt of calories/sugar. thanks bud
You could just drink a juice then that you like and add scoops of dextrose to that, avoid the food coloring. But ya, if you're eating high calories just making the change from just drinking water to drinking alot of your carbs can cut your food volume down ALOT, as much as you need it too. If you go on Amazon and search "5lb Dextrose", there's a big orange bottle that pops up. That's the one I've used before, no dyes, just pure dextrose.
Great write-up, BIG. Always interesting seeing how experienced guys put the pieces together over time and adapt things based on what actually works for them.
One thing I found interesting was your take on Dbol and Drol together. From a pharmacology standpoint, I’ve always leaned more toward combining one of them with something like Winny. One side gives you the strength, fullness and estrogenic environment, while the other brings a completely different profile to the table. Different roads to the same destination though.
That said, if the goal is to maximize sheer size in the off-season and you’re staying lean enough to manage the side effects, it’s hard to argue against Drol + Dbol. Food, training and consistency will ultimately decide how much of that potential gets converted into actual tissue.
The glutathione part caught my attention too. I’ve experimented with orals a lot over the years … straight through, pulsed, around the half-life, pre-workout only, multiple daily doses … and honestly I’ve come to the conclusion that context matters more than dogma.
For some compounds, I feel like following the half-life and keeping stable exposure produces much better results than just using them pre-workout. You accumulate more systemic stress of course, but in return you often get more out of the anabolic side of the compound. On the other hand, there are definitely situations where pulsing makes perfect sense, especially when appetite, digestion, bloodwork or overall fatigue start becoming limiting factors.
That’s what makes this stuff interesting. There are multiple ways to get the job done, and it’s always good to hear different perspectives from guys actually putting these approaches into practice.
You’re on the right track!
Keep pushing, BIG bro.
Time to get huge!
I appreciate that. For sure, the longer you've been running gear hopefully the more you're learning about how it affects you and making those adjustments accordingly. It is very interesting, it's also something that's constantly changing/evolving. What works for you today, may not work the same for you next time around. I think that's one of the best things about being a bodybuilder is that you become so in tune with your own body, you are continually educating yourself and constantly recycling all of the knowledge there is to know to make smart decisions/adjustments. In many ways you often become your own PCP, your own dietition, your own endocrinologist/urologist. You can actually have intelligent conversations with your Dr's about your health. These days you can order your own bloodwork on your phone and have your blood drawn an hour later. IMO bodybuilders are some of the smartest people on the planet. Most of the time to have an intelligent conversation with anyone about alot of these type of things they would need a degree in practicing medicine or pharamcology, a chmist, a biologist.
100%, couldn’t agree more!
the glutathione is a great idea- what concentration do you have? I have 200mg/ml and pinning multiple cc's EOD sounds awful! I dont really experience PIP from gear but goddamn the glutathione fucks me up.
I had some 1,500mg vials. Right now I have 500mg vials. Same as you, just dilute it down to 200mg/ml. That's the standard for compounding pharma glutathione so that's what I dilute it to as well. I've never seen anything high like random is talking about. I believe he's just thinking of the 1200mg vials(total mg in vial) which is then diluted down to 200mg/ml. No pip here. But I've also been injection shit for a couple of decades now. I can pin 300mg Test Prop in my glutes, one shot, no pip. But nothing wrong with diluting it further if you get pip. If it gave me pip though I have a bunch of 30ml vials of injectable lidocaine, I would dilute it with 50/50 Bac water/Lidocaine. Bet there wouldn't be any pip then, lol.
He’s definitely thinking of the total vial content. I just made some 400 mg/ml glutathione and that shit is viscous as castor oil. I don’t think you could even get 1200 mg into 1ml. Would be a non-dissolved paste
Sounds painful. Ya definitely not 1200mg/ml
That’s weird. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen it lower than 1200mg/ml.
Ah man that’s what I need. All the peptide sites I have seen have it as 1500mg or 2000mg but that’s per 10ml.
Since it’s not gear- can I ask for a source?
They’re not on eroids so I cannot help you with that.
Got it. I’ll do some digging. My understanding is 200mg/ml is as high as available due to stability for your standard injectable glutathione.
There’s a good chance I may be mistaken as I’m also retarded.
LOL… all good dude. The labeling on a lot of these is confusing as hell.
What I’ve seen is the compounding pharmacies all list it as 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml but the peptide sites say 1200mg, 1500mg, 2000mg, etc but they are talking total amount in the vial.
Either way, injecting a ton of glutathione is no fun IMO, but it’s good shit!!