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There's a guy that got a pretty bad reaction to the vitamin e batch.
Yeah, that doesn’t sounds fun.. If it’s water base I stay away of water bases usually there’s only 1 brand that I will use.. based on past good results
But in terms of oils, if that batch that was under, that is not the reason for his bad swelling /allergic reaction or possibly test flu or possibly infection..
In that case, the batch could also be depending, a friend of mine got hospitalized in Mexico from the Winnie waterbase injectable. Oh well it , when you sit out and eat some tacos and get approached by street vendors, you should know better …was a label with the sheep a horse logo on it green, obviously counter fake to the gills .. he was laughing when I told him my opinion he said hey what’s gonna happen? What’s the worst he said BHAHA while the chorizo Was still burning in his mouth ,yeah well….he wasn’t laughing after that.
I've used test suspension before. I don't think I made it through the whole vial. I wouldn't buy gear from some random vendor. That's a hard lesson to learn.
BTW LABS - Some products are slightly underdosed but priced accordingly. Would you still use them?
Hey everyone,
Since product testing is something this community takes seriously, I wanted to pose a question from John at BTW Labs and get your honest take.
Say a product gets tested and comes back at 220 mg instead of the labeled 250 mg of Test C. What if the price were lowered to reflect that, and a customer could grab an extra vial to make up the difference at minimal added cost? You'd be pinning more oil, sure, but your actual dose would be dialed in.
Now let me be real: this isn't me making excuses for underdosing. Underdosing is the harsh reality of the current raw market. Our common commitment is always to push for better products. But knowing that reality, if a product comes back slightly under and the pricing is adjusted fairly to match, would you still run it?
Genuinely curious where you all stand on this.
That said, not all BTW Labs products are underdosed. Here are the latest Janoshik results:
It's also important to note that fresh batches of BTW Labs have been produced and new lab tests will be coming soon.
We've also recently posted A-Tech Labs test results, which came back looking great. You can find them by scrolling down our source talk page.
Additional lab tests from our key manufacturers are in progress and will be shared with you all very soon.
Our commitment is to stay transparent with this community. That's why I'm here: to keep you informed and hear your thoughts on our products.
With respect,
Brooks
This is a Genuine question for you buddy, not a dig - I am just curious on the answer.
Why don't any of these Labs/Brands get Jano/Analiza Testing done on any of their products before Batches are released to the general public to make sure they are dosed at what the label claims? Sure they could say that getting each batch tested would create a headache - BUT given these batch runs are of 5000 Plus products each time then getting each one tested is Vital surely for safety and their own peace of mind on product quality?
Surely they can afford to wait 2 weeks on the Test results coming back, or simply get ahead of themselves so there are no lines running out of stock to ensure a steady supply of products?
This would also of stopped the Ultima fiasco we are now seeing and would of prompted them to see that many of their products contain Vitamin E and not testosterone.
It often seems like they only get round to doing the testing after the Horse has already bolted.
Great question and we appreciate you asking. We are actively putting effort into making pre-release testing a standard practice, but we're not the manufacturers so it's easier said than done. At the end of the day, it's a relationship built on trust.
Now here's the thing, if a manufacturer acknowledges an issue and is committed to improving, does it really make sense to throw away an entire batch that's only slightly underdosed? Especially when the industry is going through complicated times as it is. The product is still usable and effective, and we'd rather be transparent about it than waste it and leave customers with nothing.
What we can say is that on our end, we send products out for testing before they go live on our store. Customer safety and product quality matter to us, and the Ultima situation is a perfect example of why we have that process in place.
For sure buddy - But after what has happened with Ultima they have proven that you can't trust them? That also goes for the Beligas products.
This is why we are not doing business with Ultima and Beligas anymore, and give credit to new manufacturers.
Very good!!
Ahh okay, I didn't realise that mate. Hopefully there will be a lot of positives that come out of the situation that we have all been witness to lately - if it means more rigorous testing and analysing of RAW's & products then that is a Great thing.
Absolutely. Some of the new manufacturers we've partnered with have been showing good/strong results: A-Tech Labs, BTW Labs and Tiger Pharma.
And of course the reliable ones like Pharmacom Labs and PharmaQo continue to stay consistent. Fresh lab tests will be incoming soon.
We acknowledge that the Ultima situation has created uncertainty and mistrust towards all of the sources, and we want to change that by keeping you guys properly informed.
Something we all wondered about in the past was whether beligas/Nakon/ultima were the same source with different labels. Obviously that has been well established now, but pharmacom sometimes gets tossed around in the same subject.
Can you speak to that?
Also, much appreciated with the transparency on your part.
No, not the same source gents.
I think the product should be relabeled when it’s known to be that under dosed and priced according to the under dosing. Otherwise I wouldn’t have issue buying under dosed product that is known when the price reflects the known dosing.
Btw- in times like these it doesn’t go unnoticed that you are being very up front with testing your products. Kudos to you guys.
Some sources have done that, re labeled n it sold
I too would definitely buy some BTW test c for a discounted price. I have several Ultima test E I would like to replace and stock up some. The batch I have isn’t listed on the bunk list of Ultima products but I’m now very hesitant in using them. So I am looking at other brands to stock up on.
Honestly just be upfront about it don’t say well it was buy 3 get one so basically we’re even. And hiding behind the “well the labs were on the site” line is bs as well. Label ur product for what it is. Shit label it at 200 mg then everyone woulda been like damn that new labs test was 220 and it’s labeled at 200 what a great lab…. But nope. It’s a 250 label with 220 numbers and now ur saying well it’s buy 3 get one free so no biggie…. Right? STEROIDIFY is my goto source for AAS and they’ve helped me thru the start of this journey and I’ll forever be thankful for that but the BTW Test C that was tested was 220 what about the shit they sent to ppl? I’m guessing and I might be wrong but there had to be more than one batch sent out on the first run of production right? So it could be even lower than the batch that was sent to the lab? I mean it could be higher too yes but I know I thought I was doing 500 a week and it was 100% obvious that it was underdosed and that’s coming from a guy who has only used 2 total vials of test. So if someone as green as myself could tell, I’d assume an experienced user woulda been very disappointed.
I appreciate the honesty and I'm not going to dodge your points, but I do want to push back on a few things.
First, nobody is hiding behind the buy 3 get 1 free. That was mentioned as context, not as an excuse. Two different things.
Second, the labs were posted publicly before anyone purchased. That's not hiding behind anything. That's literally transparency. Most labs don't even do that.
On the labeling point, 220 on a 250 label falls within the +/- 10% range which is the industry standard. If every lab that came in at 220 on a 250 label relabeled their product at 200, they'd be lying in the other direction.
As for the batch question, you said yourself it could be higher too. So we're both speculating. What we can control is testing, and that's exactly what we do and encourage our customers to do as well.
Now on the "I could tell it was underdosed" part, I respect your experience but there are a lot of variables that affect how you feel on cycle. Injection frequency, body composition, diet, sleep, estrogen management. Two vials in, with all respect, is a very small sample size to make that call based on feel alone.
We're not perfect and we're always working to improve. But I'm not going to agree that we were dishonest or tried to hide anything. The data was right there from day one.
And the dbol is not good lol. I had to ask a few guy on here who talked up dbol and I had some Pharmacom test C and some pharmcom dbol in the safe from another Steroidify order so I moved to that from the btw labs gear and it’s far superior. I mean all in all what I’ve learned from this is when u find a good lab. One that ur body agrees with no sense In straying away. Ride it till the wheels fall off….
Appreciate the feedback on the dbol too. That's good to know and we're not going to ignore it.
That said, comparing two different labs side by side is tricky. Everyone's body responds differently to different carriers, oils, and brewing processes. What hits hard from one lab might feel flat from another even at the same dose. That doesn't automatically mean one is underdosed and the other isn't. It could just mean your body agrees with Pharmacom's formula better.
Pharmcom has been around for a long time and has a solid track record so no surprise it works well for you. Nobody is going to knock you for sticking with what works.
BTW is still a newer lab and we hear the feedback.
Glad Steroidify has been solid for you overall. That's what matters to us at the end of the day.
Even the FDA allows for +/- 10% variance, and compounding pharmacies may have even looser standards than that.
Also, keep in mind that there is a variance and error in testing results too.
If you tested the same exact sample multiple times, each time would give a little different result. The actual contents may very well be a bit higher. This could just a be at the lower end of the possible data points. You'd need to take the average of multiple samples to get closer to the true value.
This is why we're committed to multiple testing and strongly encourage our customers to test on their end as well.
Honesty, transparency, and integrity sells. So as long as it's up front and clearly stated, on top of a discount, I'm sure people will have no problem buying it at all.
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Test C and maybe the Dbol only seem a little out of range. I’ve seen some labs relabel the gear according to the testing for example Test C 220.
I’d definitely buy underdosed gear at a small discount if it was made clear or just relabeled and priced accordingly.
Time to buy out all of the Cialis…
There's a certain lab that comes to mind now that you mention that. They weren't upfront about it though. Waited to be called out and only then relabeled.
BTW Labs is committed to deliver better results in the future.
In the meantime, hope you'll grab your Cialis and enjoy using it.
Tell them to keep it up with the cialis. My lady thanks them.
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