+ 2 DBOL
6'0, 180 pounds before cycle. 195 pounds 4 weeks after cycle.
Goal was to put on mass. I wanted idealy to make at least half of my gains as muscle and not as fat. I think realistically I probably gained about 5-6 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of fat, which is still way better than what I could've ever done naturally.
Cycle - 12 weeks of low test, dbol, and anadrol (the two orals sounds crazy, but I split my pills and only used ~18mg total a day for 8 of the 12 weeks). Dbol and Anadrol were from OSGear, test was leftover from somewhere else.
Pros:
Crazy strength gains. Bench 250 -> 315
Mass gain. While on cycle I got up to 210 lbs and lost a lot of that water and glycogen post cycle
Overall euphporia
Labs weren't that bad. ALT/AST slightly raised, but nothing insane.
Cons:
A bit of lethargy coming off, both due to a (mildly) taxed liver and losing the orals and such. Really no other cons. gear was solid.
8 weeks after PCT I tested in the 600s for test and all other labs were in range. Overall happy with the cycle.
Won't let me post an extra pic for bloods, but I'll list the key bloods from my pre and post PCT tests
Pre cycle bloods
Test - 680
Estradiol - 15
AST/ALT in 20s
Post-cycle bloods
Test - 612
Estradiol - 18
AST/ALT around 30
| Week | Test | Dbol | Anadrol |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 2 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 3 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 4 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 5 | 200mg | 0mg | 0mg |
| 6 | 200mg | 0mg | 0mg |
| 7 | 200mg | 0mg | 0mg |
| 8 | 200mg | 0mg | 0mg |
| 9 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 10 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 11 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
| 12 | 200mg | 6.25mg | 12.5mg |
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I think you would see major gains at 300 or 400 test. It was a big swing up for me.
I commented on this one before I don't know why he's going at the milligram of strength.He's going.I would do fifty milligrams and hit it.As hard as I could 4 to 6 weeks.And then stop. And always, Always ALWAYS! USE A PCT. TAMOXIFEN, HCG, and Clomid. ARE must for 3 weeks then you can go back to your trt 200mg cyp or E.
Also l love dbol. Shit just makes me feel so damn good with cialias. Overall great feeling.
Out of curiosity why did you do 4 weeks of orals 4 weeks off then 4 weeks on again?
You've made some good strength progress which is surprising for the doses you have run - you would of been much better off just running 30mg every day though of DBol I guarantee rather than complicating things. Don't stress about the liver numbers as they will always return to normal when you cease the oral - even there you aren't out of range anyway. Being up at 60 to 70 AST is no big deal as it will fall back down within the month of cessation.
Fancy seeing you here
Dkoon211I was looking at anadrol, do you think 30 mg a day would be good off that? Was thinking about trying it my next cycle possibly.
If it's really Oxymethelone it is really toxic, and sides are almost as worse as the gains. Yes you get size but at 50mg a day and a one guys I've talked to they have even take 100mg a day but also get extremely oily skin an acne with lots of aggression. If you want that in your life, then more power to you
Dkoon211Damn the aggression. I'm not allowed to use tren anymore because of it. Can't win lol
Breathing is the key that helps me with feeling so crazy when there is nothing to feel crazy about.
That's just me but. I try to use this in the gym taking it an hour before, only on the days going but maybe if it's making me aggressive I will only be taking half 25mg and taking 50 to 100mg on days that im going into train.
Dkoon211I got really good results from winstrol which surprised me. I'd like to do something similar to that. But it makes me creak lol.
I would like to try Winny as well but I dont want my joints especially my shoulders to be in pain then already are.
You will still get some gains off it and it will be easier to run as the sides won't be as harsh - But you won't be getting the 'Full Anadrol 50 effect' so to speak.
Not sure how you will obtain 30mg each time either given when you split them it makes 25mg.
Dkoon211Nice
I got to do some research on the stuff, I assume this has high aggression and irritability sides so I need to be careful. Lol
Everyone's different. For me, Anadrol killed my appetite. I didnt make it over a week.
Same here mate. No appetite and plenty of lethargy. Never again.
Dkoon211Thats no good. Yeah im experimenting around. I was doing the 600 tren e a week and gains where mild at best but when I added winstrol it gave me around 5 lbs a week, so im hoping there's something out there for me lol
You ran 600 of tren with little to no gains? Well, on the plus side all your organs will thank you.
Dkoon211I got pretty lean. Burned fat. But just not too much gains. I hear all the hype of people 10 lbs added to pr a week. But I did not have that affect. But yeah I hear ya. Nasty stuff lol
Never heard of of 10lbs a week. 16 week cycle is usual. Most of it will be water and glycogen, so they tell me. Dbol feels good and strength gains are quick. Just ask @press1 he puts them on his Cornflakes
Dkoon211Yeah, I think it was just a bunch of those redsit morons who dont know shit. Horrible place to learn from lol.
Dbol is the shit! Feels really good to me, euphoric feeling and got me stronger after the 1st dose. However, I converter e2 really high so I can't take it daily. Nips get sensitive. Dbol is my favorite feeling oral so far though. No homo
Dkoon211Thats one of the reasons I am still on the tren, but titrating down. I love the euphoric feeling. And horniness lol. But my e2 gets high as fuck. I saw it was at 824 mid year. Had to scale back alot.
Probably - I just thought it was an interesting experiment to try low doses of two orals
Interesting cycle. We always recommend keeping oral runs short, especially stuff like anadrol and for good reason. But when anadrol is prescribed for anemia or whatever the duration of treatment is 3-6 months at doses way higher than we run. Starting around 2mg/kg and up to 5mg/kg. So if you weighed 100kgs that’s 200-500mg Ed for 3-6 months. And the FDA and medical establishment seems to think that’s ok. And they don’t tell their patients to drink a gallon or two of water a day lol.
Agreed - for me anadrol is pretty mild at a low dose. I know it’s an odd cycle, kinda just testing things out and I responded well
What was the thinking behind running two orals rather than sticking to dbol and just upping dosage for that? Anadrol gives me awful lethargy.
more of an experiment than a “i found this research article” thing. Wanted to see how it felt.
Nice run. Your labs aren't crazy because you kept the doses low, and I think that's the right move especially with dbol and anadrol
agreed - i think next time ill do Turinabol or var just to see how a more mild oral goes.