PAIN WITH Gyno
Hi im trying to totally cure my gyno its not noticeable just the pain in the right nip.
Been cruising for about 5 weeks on 1ml of Sustanon a week all in one shot. Im a heavy aromaratiser now im in my 40s didn't used to be and im lean ish so body fat is not the issue.
Started with 1 x Adex 2 x tamoxifen ed and that didn't work cured it for that day and came back the next day.
Saturday i took 2.5mg letro and dropped loads of water in rhe night still pissing loads now and no pain from gyno sat 1 x full tab of letro 1 x tamoxifen a day sun didnt take a letro 1 x tamoxifen a day
What would you suggest my next step us 1.25 letro at night 1 tamoxifen during the day.
Adex was deffo not strong enough it may be in future when u reduce my estrogen to acceptable levels.
Or go to 0.5ml Sustanon a week till i get rid of my gyno.
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Throw in some P5P - it can help. Lots of other things can cause gyno too like excessive carbs/calories. Thyroid hormones, salts ect.
Here is my protocol for TRT, 25mg daily pinning of Testosterone cypionate. My acne went away and I feel great. And estrogen stays in range. Armidex is poison man.
Here is your testosterone level if you pin the same 250mg of cypionate (twice a week, 125mg every 3rd and 4th day, something like mon and thurs)
Notice your levels stays the same and less peaks and valleys. You're giving yourself gyno. And prolly dealing with acne as well.
Sustanon is short and long esters. Just go with cypionate brother. You'll feel better too. Also 250 isn't quite TRT if you're 40 go with 175mg and then do blood work.
Very interesting. I don't suffer with acne but i use to back in my 20's and early 30s.
I always felt good on sust but high estrogen always been a issue in my 40s used to get away with it in my early years but i suffered with acne that could be estrogen related.
You don't run any sarms AI at all?
Do you cycle or just stay on hrt interested to know this.
SERMs but I thinks that's what you meant. I'm 38, I run 600mg of test for 16 weeks and then 20 weeks of 175mg, blast and cruise. Donate blood at end of every blast and get blood work done before and after blast and randomly mid TRT.
In a nutshell brother proper pinning of cypionate would fix most people's aromatizing of testosterone into estradiol. Doctors are so quick to prescribe AIs. When it's not always needed. In reality needing it on TRT <200mg a week. Would be a very very small percentage of males. 1000ng/dl testosterone level or less MOST shouldn't have estrogen problems. Control the peaks and valleys of your levels. Problem close to certainly will be resolved.
It appears I plotted 250mg twice a week instead of 125mg twice a week, hence the 3k ng/dl but you get the idea.
Here is your testosterone level pinning sustanon 250mg once a week.
The more you pin weekly, less peaks and valleys in test and also estrogen. Sustanon is bad for TRT, just pin cypionate at least twice a week. Hell I pin 25mg 0.1ml test cyp everyday in the morning.
Surely Sustanon must have it place though i see what you mean about hrt though. But been cycling on and not off many years. I always switch test esters now and again but always Prefer sust maybe its just a feeling of well being and sex drive.
Ive never really experimented with primo im so old school in my thoughts but reacearched rhis can lower estrogen on cycle so it might be something to consider.
Ive competed in my 30s but never used primo or mast.
Sustanon is generally 4 esters and sometimes its 3. You realize it's all Testosterone right? Do you actually understand what Ester means ? Sustanon can be great if you're blasting but at minimum it should be pinned Mon wed Friday. Never once a week. Having phenylpropionate in there spikes your test levels and then having decanoate in there being a long Ester isn't enough to balance it out. I'm just trying to educate brother. If you truly understood esters you'd never choose Sus for TRT / HRT
I know what you mean taking letro dry achy joints feel like im 80 with my knees and joints and no sex drive at all.
Will try cyp when i get back and switch over to adex or aromasin for the short term
I know your just trying to educate brother. I do knoe what a ester is. Sust is usually 4 esters agreed. And usually do twice a week when im blasting mon and thursday. But i agree Monday wed Friday would be better.
Max i do now on my blast is 500 mg find that is more than enough.
I give blood every 10 weeks or so to lower heamocrit. Im pretty healthy when i my bloods done. My bad or Hdl is it? cholesterol levels is on my the upper end of the range daily adex could well be the cause
Pin test cyp twice a week instead on TRT. Good luck
Do you really its some thing i need experiment with. Im open to ideas
250mg a week is not trt. So your issue it not researching. Also, sust is and has been a huge failure for trt...
Its works well for me pal been traning 30 year. It it is prescribed sust for hrt in the UK not 250mg a week though.
I would use aromasin. I used to do the same thing using letro and arimidex but for people like us who aromatize heavily aromasin is best. I usually have to take it eod. You could also use provirion that would help out as well. Aromasin is best I think.
Last time i tried it was last year i had a he same prob with sore right nips and i tried aromasin made it worse maybe I didn't run it long enough a day then i took letro and sorted the pain out.
Want to sort it out completely this time i know its will always come back. But not bad enough i don't think for surgery my gyno is about the size of a £ coin not noticeble at all when i take my top off
Without the surgery it will always come back. Ralox is the most effective at reducing it, but its pretty temporary to while you're taking it. Once you stop it'll rebound back to its true size. You can spend the rest of your life crashing your e2 and cycling on and off serms, but it will never actually go away without the surgery, unfortunately.
Shit i kind of new this. Thank you for the advice. I feel fine on arimidex daily and ill split my sust up into 0.5 ml. And get some Ralox when i get back
Ive tried genuine Aromasin before i thought it was much weaker than adex but will try it again though. Got two boxes
I personally use anastrozole and it works great for estrogen gyno. Your gyno might be caused by Prolactin, you need to get some caber. Get some blood work done test levels, prolactin level, estrogen and CBC and CMP.
Im sure its estrogen related because the 1 x letro on Saturday no pain in my right nip so far. And i feel sound had a tamoxifen morning.
I guess were all different and ill just have to find out what works best for me and blood work after my holidays is needed
You are going to crash the ever living fuck out of your estrogen and feel like hell soon. I highly recommend getting your hands on Raloxifene asap, it’s a serm that is highly effective with gyno. Please for the love of God stop taking that much letro asap for your own well being. Also try splitting the sustanon to 2 to even ideally 3 injections a week if you are a high aromatiser, it should definitely lessen your e2 keeping your hormones much more stable. Also sustanon is multiple esters, perhaps consider switching to one (cyp or enan) best of luck
Going ok with letro reduced it to half a tab every day. Drying out joints a bit but gyno is going. Going to get some Ralox when i get back next week or going to try
Dude I didn't know about Raloxifene until I read your post now I am researching it and well get some on hand, its expensive but if it works in the future its worth it.
It is very effective. Good to have on hand (I do), and it won’t crash estro
Will do i try and get some Ralox but got many sources but they don't stock it im in the UK. Is Ralox stronger than the than Tamoxifen
I try splitting my sust up in to 2 or 3 shots
Thanks for you help
Ralox has been shown to be better than nolva for gyno for sure that’s why I highly recommend. I hope you find a good source for it. Definitely split it up asap! Good luck man I hope it gets sorted out soon. I’d also get bloods and see if your prolactin or anything else is high causing the flare up on only 1cc of test. Perhaps grab vitamin b6 (or better yet the active form, P5P). It’s good for you and will lower prolactin (even if your prolactin isn’t high it’s a good thing to consider in case)
lll split the sust up bro. Can you please explain vit b6 or P5P youve lost me. Its this tablet form?
I get my bloodwork done soon to check my prolactin it was a bit high last time but it was in range although the upper end.
What would you suggest stopping the letro now and going back to adex.
And try and source some Ralox im am going on holiday Tuesday so wont source anything before then
I appreciate your help
Ill split the sust up bro. Can you please explain vit b6 or P5P youve lost me. Its this tablet form?
I get my bloodwork done soon to check my prolactin it was a bit high last time but it was in range although the upper end.
What would you suggest stopping the letro now and going back to adex.
And try and source some Ralox im am going on holiday Tuesday so wont source anything before then
I appreciate your help
A natural supplement that will lower high prolactin. Sold in capsules or tablets