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I’m fairly new here—more active on other forums—but I figured I’d post and get some advice from the greats in this industry.

I’ve always been a bigger-framed guy. I’m 6’0" and my weight has fluctuated between 220–300 lbs most of my life. At one point, I even hit my lowest at 186 lbs. No matter what, my body seems to want to settle back around the 240 range (I honestly believe that’s my natural “set point”).

I attached two photos:

First photo (yellow boxers): Taken while coming off a cut cycle. The products I used were Sustanon (500–700 mg), Tren Ace (200–250 mg), and Nolva/Anadrol (as the starting oral).
Second photo (mirror, 248 lbs): Taken after my release from prison (2021–2023).

During that first cycle, I made great progress, but I wasn’t as knowledgeable about anabolics as I am today. I had plenty of sides: gyno (as you can see), tren rage, uncontrollable sex drive, bad acne, etc. But interestingly, the more severe issues (night sweats, tren cough, bad lipids) weren’t too bad—I actually respond pretty well to tren. Back then I mostly just listened to “bro science” on forums without researching titration or considering the idea that less is often better.

Fast forward: I recently got updated bloodwork, so I have a solid baseline again. My androgen receptors and body have essentially reset since that first picture (190–200 lbs, from 2021). While locked up, I trained fairly consistently, but between commissary “pockets,” working kitchen detail, and being a store man, I definitely ate a lot of carbs (gotta love those pockets).

My current goal:
I want to get back down to the 220–230 lb range, but this time with size and definition. My approach will be “less is more”—starting low and only increasing as needed until I find the sweet spot of maximum results with minimal sides.

With all the newer information and compounds available, I’d like your advice:

What would you change or add to my planned cycle to help me reach this goal?
I’ll drop my planned cycle and current stats below.

Thanks, eroids! Looking forward to learning and growing with you all!

CURRENT BODY STATS:

AGE: 34
HEIGHT: 6'0
WEIGHT: 272 LBS. (GOAL: 230-240)
BODY FAT: 28% (GOAL: 18-20%)

PLANNED CYCLE:

WEEK 1-16: (WILL DO LONGER IF POSSIBLE WHEN I GET BLOODWORK DONE AT 15 WEEKS TO CHECK PANEL)

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg EOD WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED

Primobolan Enanthate - 300mg EOD (Higher E2 so didn't do 1:1) WILL TITRATE UP SLOWLY UNTIL MAX EFFECTIVE DOSE IS REACHED

Aromasin - 12.mg EOD

Levothyroxine T4 & Cytomel T3 I have hypothyroidism so I use these to help regulate, I will also be dosing T3 according to help aid in fat loss.

HGH - 2iu(slowly upping until 4-5iu max) daily before morning cardio/workout session fasted. I was doing at night, but because we eat later when my girlfriend gets home due to work, its hard to keep glucose stable. So doing this early morning before cardio fasted, worked better for myself.

Retatrutide (Starting dose: 2mg, titrating up slowly until max dose of 8mg is achieved)

PRODUCTS I HAVE THAT I COULD IMPLEMENT:

Anavar - (Weeks 1-4 or 12-16 @ 20mg daily pre workout.)

Tren Ace - (Weeks 1-8 or 8-16 @ 75mg weekly) Will not go over this dosage, Plenty of anecdotal evidence stating that lower dose trenbolgne sammichs can benefit and achieve desired results with way less negativity on your body and mental.

Arimidex - IF NEEDED

TELMISARTAN - IF NEEDED

NPP - (Weeks 1-16 @ 100-200mg a week) *aid is size and lubrication of joints as I am older, and I tore something in my leg in prison during a softball tournament, the muscle from the bottom of my ass cheek all the way down to the back of my calf. It was black/purple/blue. Couldn't walk. Couldn't put pressure on it. Medical in prison systems is non existent. Said it was a pulled muscle. Finally healed 9-12 weeks later, and still till this day its hurts when I do cardio and basic leg exercises.

Dbol - (Weeks 1-5 to kickstart cycle @ 10-20mgs daily pre workout)

So yeah that's about it, just looking on guidance and advice on my cycle. What I could do better or adjust. I am a fairly good responder to every anabolic I provided as I have used them prior in earlier years. (NPP, PRIMO). With DBOL I generally don't hold much water and I get really good size increase and gains on 5 weeks as previously used in other cycles. I am not looking to purely lose weight, but gain increasing size and mass during these winter times and in the summer full cut down with all that increased lean mass. Thank you so much for your insights and help!

Aggieguy's picture

Look if diet and exercise is not working with your test, then get on retatrutide it will help you lose weight.

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Drexyl's picture

I’m going to post a few images for full transparency, you’ll see various conditioning, you’ll be able to see the difference between increased dosages and anabolics, and TRT only. I always maintain a relatively clean diet, which I’m going to suggest you do. I’m not knocking you, I’m a beacon of encouragement for everyone here, but no one should ever let themselves go to the point where you are in that picture. It’s extremely unhealthy and not reflective of a positive mindset. Best wishes to you on your journey.

ChoZeN's picture

Yeah bro no worries or hard feelings. You're right. Absolutely right. I just always made excuses, I knew I had something internally wrong but never went to a doctor. I just got my bloodwork done last month and I haven't seen a doctor before that in almost 18 years. If I would of got on trt for my low test and t4 for my thyroid before maybe things would be different. But today's a new day. Can't makeup for past. Only for what's ahead. You look great brother. Hopefully in next 3-6 months I'll be there with you Smile

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You’ll surpass me for sure! The biggest thing is sticking with it. Make sure you’re active on here getting and giving advice. You may not realize you have valuable things to share with the community.

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Milfpounder's picture

Dayum sexy.

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I have my moments lol. Not being vain, I just don’t like giving advice as completely anonymous. Imagine you’re getting diet advice on here and it turns out the guy is 5’2” and a 300lb ball of fat. It’d be like getting dancing lessons from a quadriplegic with epilepsy and cerebral palsy, it’s just not a good look. I think OP will get it together, but anyone that’s serious about the lifestyle doesn’t let themselves go like that.

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Hahaha theres a lot of truth in that. Id post pics of myself, but I'm too chicken. Also the "anonymity" Aspect. its easy to forget we are a bunch of savage, hardened criminals on here.

Be careful tho. One time I made a joke comment about short dudes and they came flying out of the woodworks. They travel in packs, with their little screechy voices and tiny little legs. Standing atop one another to make one full size human.

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Probably an operating agent or two as well…
Edit- FR sent, didn’t realize you weren’t on my list bro lol

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It's me.. I work for the dea... But I accidentally got myself hooked on gear and now I'm sukkin dick to keep the juice flowing.... I need help.

Friend req accepted brah

press1's picture

I may be unpopular for saying this, but I think you should be training naturally for 6 to 12 months based on the physique pictures up top. I see no reason why you can't make some huge changes just by monitoring your diet, getting in some good daily cardio and lifting weights in the gym. You have tonnes of scope for things you can do naturally before relying on anabolics and injecting multiple times per week. You have a big frame and have no issues in putting weight on and holding muscle, so sitting around 235lb's will not be a problem for you if you are doing things correctly.

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Agreed. If anything should run a low dose of test and dial in a diet to grow. His cycle mentions "maximum effective dose" alot. Should be the opposite: MINIMUM effective dose.

The first cycle was almost a whopping gram of gear a week. Can thumb thru this site and find plenty of guys that are some biggies on trt doses. Boils down to a commitment to training and diet.

ChoZeN's picture

Sup milfpounder! Your absolutely right, I did get the verbiage wrong lol. Probably lack of caffeine when I made this post. I'll edit that ASAP. I guess I should of clarified more but I already felt the post was super long. That cycle I posted wasn't my first. I been on amd off since I was 18. I didn't really do a full hard-core cycle until the one you mentioning. Granted. Yeah it was a shit ton, more than i needed. But instead of doing my research I listened to people on forums and there suggested amounts. I do appreciate your input man. Guys like you and press who have been around a minute giving me advice means a lot.

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Milfpounder's picture

I haven't been around anywhere close to as long as press. I've been training almost my entire life. New to gear (trt) as of 1 year. Just the introduction of trt alone has been PROFOUND. My humble opinions don't carry near as much weight as the other guys in here. But I DO know that a modest dose of test alone can go a very very long way with some good training and you can literally see week by week what your diet is doing for you just from the glycogen differences.

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Not at all brother! It's good to see all sides of the spectrum! Thank you for being honest. So basically on my bloodwork I'm low t, I can go to trt clinic which I have and they said they would prescribe me trt and an ai based on my panel. But I have no insurance so yeah it's expensive. I've used anabolics on and off since I was 18. But it's been about 3 or so years since I last cycled. I believe the only anabolic I will use is primo for this cycle to just help manage my e2 levels so I can avoid the use of Ai like arimidex. But with this, what do you think I should do ? I appreciate everything brother. Sorry walking on treadmill so I didn't see this.

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What were your numbers bro?

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For sure mate - If you are showing as low testosterone then no reason why not to go on the TRT route as it will help you in every way in life in general. Just don't feel that because you are injecting that each week that you have to jump on a steroid cycle to achieve your goals because you really don't pal. If I could weigh what I do now and lift what I can with no gear in me then no way would I be running gear - unfortunately without it though I'm a little runt!!! Lol

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This is very good advice right here.

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So your taking 550mg every other day? Did I read that right?

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Noooooo. 250mg weekly. lol. Then I'll slowly titrate up 25-50mg weekly until I hit the sweetspot where I maximize the compound, with minimal to no side effects.

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Lol. I was like holy shit. That makes since. Sounds like a solid plan man.

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Thanks man! Yeah, I bet your like, "that mofo taking 550mg every other day no wonder he had side effects" xD. Yeah, from what I gathered so far im just gonna stick to my original plan, minus the var.

Starting Reta: 2mg - titrate up .5mg weekly until most effective dose hits.
Starting Test E: 250mg weekly - titrate up 25-50mg weekly until effect dose hits.
Starting Primo E: 200-300mg weekly - Manage e2 levels, and build muscle / fat loss in background
Starting HGH: 2iu daily - titrate up to 5-6ius max dose.

Then i'll be taking T3 and T4 for my hypothyroidism, so the t3 alone will also aid in fat loss. Ill just hold on to the tren, anavar, dbol, etc for another cycle.

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I would run test/primo and hgh honestly I’d scoop the blend we were talking about. Usually a 1/1 ratio primo test and pull bloods at 4-5 weeks to see if E2 is in range. Works for most but some don’t get the E2 effect. I would avoid all the other compounds for right now as your higher body fat %. I would also look into Reta start at 2mg per week i split it up into 3-4 doses and slowly titrate up. That will help with insulin sensitivity and help shed some of that fat. Focus on diet and training and you could recomp nicely. If you need any help with diet and or training dm me anytime.

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ChoZeN's picture

Whats up bro! Good to hear from you again! Yeah, i'm gonna probably just scoop up 2 or 3 of his primo 100 mct. I already have 20ml of test coming from primal and then whenever Titans finally gets my order figured out I'll have another 20ml worth coming. I was making sure my initial cycle plan was pretty solid which is seems it was(except the var). So by monday, I should be on 3iu of gh, 2.5mg of RETA, 250mg of test e and ill be front loading with 100-150mg of test prop for 3-4 weeks( i have low t, so i need the umph). I started my diet last week when I started the reta and everything else. I am doing 30 mins of steady state cardio on my treadmill, fasted on empty stomach(except vitamins and hgh) then 20 min lift after 5 minute break. Been eating nothing but clean foods. No fastfoods, no premades meals. Just 93% lean ground beef, Ground Turkey, Egg whites, Eggs, Rice, Vegatables. No energy drinks, coffee. No sodas(we do buy sugar free and sometimes ill grab one) but mainly water.

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Hi mate. I’d split your hgh morning fasted. Eat half an hour or more after. Then second lot before bed. If you’re planning on having a light meal or shake before bed then leave 30-60mins between pinning and eating. If your body can handle 4-5iu then try to go up and stick to 6iu, will help with fat loss, alongside test and tren you should burn through it. I’d drop one of the orals. Seeing as your goal is to get your bf% lower I’d stick with var and drop the dbol. You can stick with NPP for joints but perhaps consider lots of oily fish, almonds, omega 3 supps etc and if you want to swap that out for Masteron for last 6 weeks of cycle to give yourself that polished look. I’ve not tried tren ace but know people who run it and have had harsh sides, especially with mood, paranoia and anxiety. Maybe consider the emanate instead. If you’ve got an oral to kickstart your cycle then enanthate imo would be the better choice. Best of luck with your cycle and keep us posted on your progress.

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Also regarding the masteron, everyone keeps saying to use it, along with primo. but from everything I researched and gathered, masteron has no real "use" unless your under like 10% bodyfat. Besides e2 management basically.

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Brother, Big Mikey was spot on with this one.

Strength, libido, drive, mood … Mast definitely brings all of that. And yeah, it is anabolic, just not on Primo’s level. But if you push it high (800mg–1g), it’s plenty anabolic to contribute real growth on top of Test. Plus, Mast frees up Test in the body the same way Proviron does, which is why you “feel” it more than the paper numbers might suggest.

That thing people say about Mast only “working” sub-10% body fat? That’s half-truth. The lean, dry, hard look just shows up more when you’re shredded because it pulls water and sharpens lines … but that doesn’t mean it’s useless above 10%. The cosmetic pop is just the cherry on top.

Primo, on the other hand, is a different animal. Much more anabolic, slower to show, more like EQ than Mast in how it builds. Primo and EQ are steady builders, Mast is more like a “joker card” … you can throw it in almost any stack. It acts like a mild AI, keeps libido strong, and stacks beautifully with 19-nors. Whoever says Mast is only cosmetic (yeah, even Vigorous Steve) never ran it at proper doses.

The true “non-anabolic” DHT is Proviron … great for libido, lowering SHBG, drying you out a bit, but it won’t build tissue the way Mast does.

End of the day, man, there’s a lot of misunderstanding here. Paper, bro science, anecdotes … none of it beats your own trial. Everybody’s different, and what hits for me may not hit for you. Best way is to test it yourself, start low, climb slowly, track markers, and see how your body responds.

I’m sure you already know this, but it’s worth saying … genetics, diet, and training are the foundation. The drugs are just tools, and how sharp they cut depends on how you use them.

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Strength

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ChoZeN's picture

Ahh gotcha, Will the primo not give me similar strength gains as masteron? Or is masteron more prominent that department? I never ran either of those compounds. So thank you for clarifying that bro!

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Thanks brother! I appreciate the advice and motivation! Yeah I plan to get to atleast 5-6ius daily. I just like following the titrate method. I am taking all beneficial supplements: Omega 3s, coq10, tudca, red yeast rice, magnesium, one a day multi, curcumin/turmeric, l-carnitine. Gonna eventually add in some Vitamin k2 + d3 . I haven't used anything as of right now except for the vitamins, hgh, and reta. My order for my testosterone from Titans still hasn't been delivered(ordered august 31st) and its been stuck in transit arriving late for the last 7 days so I'm pretty sure its lost and not coming. Unc said he was going to fix it today. So hopefully I get that soon. But I ordered 20ml of test e, and 10ml of test prop from another vendor I got the hgh, var, and aromasin from so I'll have that monday. Then Im on 2mg of reta. Only been about a week for the reta, hgh, and vitamins. So monday, im gonna up my dose to 2.5mg reta, 3iu for gh, and then start my test cycle at 250mg of e, then ill prob do 100-150mg of the prop to help kickstart my test(i have low t, 298ng/dl on my last test in august.

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RobertB80's picture

You could also add 50mgs proviron ed to help with free test and also boost mood. Vits and supps all sound good. Hopefully your test arrives soon and isn’t lost.

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Yeah, I think they are going to have to reship it or something. That package has not moved and yeah, lol. It happens. I hope they correct it like he said he would. I am not gonna be one of those crazy spam trash all over his forums first time something like this happens. As long as they keep there word and get me the product i paid for they will still have my business and a good review to follow. Also, proviron? I will have to look into that, you think its worth throwing in the mix? What is the dosing protocol?

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Yes it’s worthwhile running at 50mgs a day. Improves libido and mood, free test, reduces water retention. It’s not harsh

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Cutting might take a little longer than you think I’d really just aim to recomp right now and tighten up. Once you’re leaner reassess. Personally I’d just run Test, Reta and Growth at most, that’s plenty to recomp for now. Save the other compounds at a different starting point, respectfully. That will ease potential sides as well. I think that’s a little much at this current point, but best of luck with whatever you decide on brother and I hope you reach your goals

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Hey pete! Thanks brother for the advice and motivation! I definitely will! Even though I know a lot more about anabolics, cycling, dosages etc. there is still the open debate on bulk before cut and I was curious if I am still in the too big to bulk before cut area. I was thinking of just doing exactly what you stated, plus adding in primobolan to help manage E2(as I do have higher estrogen conversion and e2) as well as help with building lean mass in the background!

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For sure man, and you will, with Test and Primo for estro control you will definitely put on clean mass during cut. I’d do that first, Reta and GH are perfect add ons for this. I think you would enjoy the feeling of keeping it more minimal right now. Your planning makes total sense, you are def knowledgeable, but I think it would be more productive than throwing in all the tools at once at this point. Congrats on your release btw, cheers to a brighter future and a better body and mind than ever!

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Thanks brother! That means a lot. That was my second time, and It finally clicked that isn't the life I want for myself or my family. My girlfriend of 8 years has stuck it through with me through that, the tren show, my addiction days etc. I can't and wont lose her because of that lifestyle. Since my release we have paid off both our cars, bought our own house we only owe $50,000 left on and living a sober happy life. Now to just get my health and body back in shape and life will be perfect!

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Petecastiglione's picture

Eyes on the prize, you can achieve all things. So happy to hear that. The worst bs is behind you now. A lot to look forward to

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ChoZeN's picture

That's it man. Lifes to short. Wishing you and your family the best brother!

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