My test was 571 ng/dl so I was in normal range. I just wanted a boost to get the results I wasn't seeing. Possibly in another 10 years I'd be interested in trt life term but not rn. I plan on taking pct and taking as much if not more time off as I was on. I will post my pre and post cycle test results after I'm done with this cycle.
Better off staying natural then honestly man! PCT drugs are harsh and you will lose a majority of progress made just be aware. Still risking never getting back to that 500 even with a single cycle.
Find what your maintenance calories are. Once you know that ensure your in a deficit. I go pretty steep here but start at a 500-600 calorie deficit and if you can you can increase. Make sure your hitting your protien and counting your calories religiously. Cutting is the perfect time to cruise and let your lipids return to normal. Run 200-250 test until you've reached your bf goal.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you plan on running more then one cycle, which no one runs just one cycle. IMO basting and cruising is the way to go.
How many young ppl <30 are gonna stop at 1 cycle? Especially in today’s world of social media validation and always wanting what the other guy has. I’d say % wise the majority are gonna do more especially when the access to gear is convenient and can be in your mailbox within 7 days. I’d be willing to say most aren’t gonna PCT and wait years before cycling again, especially if they’re gonna lose the results of their hard work. TRT dependence is much better than constantly cycling and PCT’ing, potentially getting into dangerous levels of dosing because they are trying to make up for what they lost. We live in a day where kids with barely any facial hair are blindly pumping Trenbolone into their bloodstream and pushing 6 month cycles with barely any time off to recover. I have a co worker in his mid 20’s (natural) that constantly has kids approach him in the gym because they think he’s juicing, looking to get on and find a plug, willing to pay a small fortune for a few bottles of test. These kids aren’t gonna spend money on pct compounds when they can use it on another cycle instead.
It’s sad and I’m sure many of you guys have experienced getting asked at least once. It’s always the guys that appear to be high school/college age and nowhere near their natural potential… hell not even their “potential”…. really the majority haven’t even been consistent for a year yet. The same people that come up and ask are also the ones who drag ass around the gym- zero intensity, knowledge, planning, or effort goes into the workouts. I normally never judge anyone that’s in the gym trying to better themselves whether 600lbs of blubber or a 275lb shredded pro, but it’s hard not to when that 600lb guy has a better routine and is putting in more effort than kids at their peak ages dicking it off and attempting to cheat the system.
t’s why they all want to run gear. They think it’s magic and it will make up for their lack of discipline. They want instant gratification. Their bad habits in the gym carry over to real life. They want to get rich by posting videos and calling themselves “influencers”, instead of getting out and working hard for a living. It’s a plague that infects a large part of that generation. No work ethic and no respect, but expect to be tolerated and catered to without earning a damn thing.
Honestly at 35 nothing wrong with lifelong TRT especially if using it correct (equivalent to natural scale) on your time not on cycle. Your gains will be immensely better and your body will thank you.
I do agree not hopping on blind- he needs to get consistent bloodwork and I pray he had a baseline test done before taking steroids for the first time- if not, he’d never know what his “natural” was or if he can return to it. Most of us in the modern world sadly have test levels that are much much lower than they were 30 years ago. Wheter you wanna blame environment, processed foods, drugs, etc… it’s a widespread issue.
Extremely low test for a long period of time is much more damaging physically and mentally than being on exogenous test at the high end of natural production.
Very rare responded while have their blood thicken slightly but this can be mitigated with hydration, supps, and very worst case if it comes to it donating blood like twice annually.
I’m mid 30’s and been on (prescribed by end) since early 20’s due to a few different things. Went through years of trying to restart and using PCT drugs which are VERY harsh on the body (clomid, nolva, etc.)
Hcg while on test if you’re worried about fertility or your nut size. TRT dose will rarely even need an AI.
Overall I think the “risk” of lifelong TRT especially for males well into adulthood is much overstated. Know plenty of dudes 30-60 that all are on.
My story is 100% an anomaly and I would never recommend it for someone that doesn’t know their baseline or is under 30 years of age 99% of the time.
Yeah buddy, great post! I’ll get personal for a minute. My Dr checked everything when I turned 40, my testosterone was 795, not shabby for 40. Fast forward a couple of years when I decided to get off of the benzodiazepines he had prescribed me after life stress from divorce and bankruptcy, oh yeah and a foreclosure of a property I owned, two trips to the ER from withdrawals that almost cost me my life, and the trouble started. Another battery of tests done after mental fog, erectile dysfunction, etc, and my test dropped to 454. It’s funny how we remember these exact numbers. He wasn’t concerned but referred me to specialists, after waiting 10 months I saw an endocrinologist then a urologist. The urologist followed what the endocrinologist recommended which was (he obviously didn’t read my complete chart) benzodiazepines, and a SSRI. I shook his hand and left the office. So now I enter the world of the men’s clinic, went to labcorp and my testosterone was 375, dick wouldn’t get past half mast and a full load was literally 2 teardrops. After a month on testosterone I was a new man. I had only used oral steroids in my younger years and fathered 4 children. Once I knew my balls we’re toast, I had no worries about TRT with a blast a couple of times a year. Best advice I can give, if your doctor has you on 4+ milligrams of klonopin for over 5 years, punch the motherfucker right in the side of his head. You’d think 375 isn’t a terrible number, but it had me feeling terrible, and my network won’t prescribe it unless you’re damn near in the single digits. Or a transitioning female to male, then they’ll practically give it to you.
Sadly your exact story is all too common from overprescribing drugs with terrible side effects to treat symptoms instead of the root problem, and all the way to not being able to get a script from a licensed endo or urologist because they specialize in something else and brush off modern knowledge of hormonal medicines. There are outliers who are great of course, but shooting large most docs still go off their 30 year old medical textbooks unless it’s a new drugs being pushed to them for $$$$.
So this picture is on your bulk ? And 4 weeks left
Did you reach your goals you think
Advice?
Food
Simple,, but so fucking effective.
Honestly bro i thought he was trolling
You’re not the only one.
My test was 571 ng/dl so I was in normal range. I just wanted a boost to get the results I wasn't seeing. Possibly in another 10 years I'd be interested in trt life term but not rn. I plan on taking pct and taking as much if not more time off as I was on. I will post my pre and post cycle test results after I'm done with this cycle.
Better off staying natural then honestly man! PCT drugs are harsh and you will lose a majority of progress made just be aware. Still risking never getting back to that 500 even with a single cycle.
Dial in food, diet, supps, sleep, and gym.
Blast and cruise brother TRT for LYFE ( NWO ) from wrestling
Find what your maintenance calories are. Once you know that ensure your in a deficit. I go pretty steep here but start at a 500-600 calorie deficit and if you can you can increase. Make sure your hitting your protien and counting your calories religiously. Cutting is the perfect time to cruise and let your lipids return to normal. Run 200-250 test until you've reached your bf goal.
On his first cycle I don't think telling him to blast and cruise is such a good idea.
Maybe I miss understood but that's what I got from it.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you plan on running more then one cycle, which no one runs just one cycle. IMO basting and cruising is the way to go.
Time on should be the same as time off.
Blast and cruise sets you up for trt dependance.
That's why there is such a thing as pct.
How many young ppl <30 are gonna stop at 1 cycle? Especially in today’s world of social media validation and always wanting what the other guy has. I’d say % wise the majority are gonna do more especially when the access to gear is convenient and can be in your mailbox within 7 days. I’d be willing to say most aren’t gonna PCT and wait years before cycling again, especially if they’re gonna lose the results of their hard work. TRT dependence is much better than constantly cycling and PCT’ing, potentially getting into dangerous levels of dosing because they are trying to make up for what they lost. We live in a day where kids with barely any facial hair are blindly pumping Trenbolone into their bloodstream and pushing 6 month cycles with barely any time off to recover. I have a co worker in his mid 20’s (natural) that constantly has kids approach him in the gym because they think he’s juicing, looking to get on and find a plug, willing to pay a small fortune for a few bottles of test. These kids aren’t gonna spend money on pct compounds when they can use it on another cycle instead.
Well said and completely agreed.
It’s sad and I’m sure many of you guys have experienced getting asked at least once. It’s always the guys that appear to be high school/college age and nowhere near their natural potential… hell not even their “potential”…. really the majority haven’t even been consistent for a year yet. The same people that come up and ask are also the ones who drag ass around the gym- zero intensity, knowledge, planning, or effort goes into the workouts. I normally never judge anyone that’s in the gym trying to better themselves whether 600lbs of blubber or a 275lb shredded pro, but it’s hard not to when that 600lb guy has a better routine and is putting in more effort than kids at their peak ages dicking it off and attempting to cheat the system.
t’s why they all want to run gear. They think it’s magic and it will make up for their lack of discipline. They want instant gratification. Their bad habits in the gym carry over to real life. They want to get rich by posting videos and calling themselves “influencers”, instead of getting out and working hard for a living. It’s a plague that infects a large part of that generation. No work ethic and no respect, but expect to be tolerated and catered to without earning a damn thing.
Honestly at 35 nothing wrong with lifelong TRT especially if using it correct (equivalent to natural scale) on your time not on cycle. Your gains will be immensely better and your body will thank you.
I do agree not hopping on blind- he needs to get consistent bloodwork and I pray he had a baseline test done before taking steroids for the first time- if not, he’d never know what his “natural” was or if he can return to it. Most of us in the modern world sadly have test levels that are much much lower than they were 30 years ago. Wheter you wanna blame environment, processed foods, drugs, etc… it’s a widespread issue.
Extremely low test for a long period of time is much more damaging physically and mentally than being on exogenous test at the high end of natural production.
Very rare responded while have their blood thicken slightly but this can be mitigated with hydration, supps, and very worst case if it comes to it donating blood like twice annually.
I’m mid 30’s and been on (prescribed by end) since early 20’s due to a few different things. Went through years of trying to restart and using PCT drugs which are VERY harsh on the body (clomid, nolva, etc.)
Hcg while on test if you’re worried about fertility or your nut size. TRT dose will rarely even need an AI.
Overall I think the “risk” of lifelong TRT especially for males well into adulthood is much overstated. Know plenty of dudes 30-60 that all are on.
My story is 100% an anomaly and I would never recommend it for someone that doesn’t know their baseline or is under 30 years of age 99% of the time.
Yeah buddy, great post! I’ll get personal for a minute. My Dr checked everything when I turned 40, my testosterone was 795, not shabby for 40. Fast forward a couple of years when I decided to get off of the benzodiazepines he had prescribed me after life stress from divorce and bankruptcy, oh yeah and a foreclosure of a property I owned, two trips to the ER from withdrawals that almost cost me my life, and the trouble started. Another battery of tests done after mental fog, erectile dysfunction, etc, and my test dropped to 454. It’s funny how we remember these exact numbers. He wasn’t concerned but referred me to specialists, after waiting 10 months I saw an endocrinologist then a urologist. The urologist followed what the endocrinologist recommended which was (he obviously didn’t read my complete chart) benzodiazepines, and a SSRI. I shook his hand and left the office. So now I enter the world of the men’s clinic, went to labcorp and my testosterone was 375, dick wouldn’t get past half mast and a full load was literally 2 teardrops. After a month on testosterone I was a new man. I had only used oral steroids in my younger years and fathered 4 children. Once I knew my balls we’re toast, I had no worries about TRT with a blast a couple of times a year. Best advice I can give, if your doctor has you on 4+ milligrams of klonopin for over 5 years, punch the motherfucker right in the side of his head. You’d think 375 isn’t a terrible number, but it had me feeling terrible, and my network won’t prescribe it unless you’re damn near in the single digits. Or a transitioning female to male, then they’ll practically give it to you.
Sadly your exact story is all too common from overprescribing drugs with terrible side effects to treat symptoms instead of the root problem, and all the way to not being able to get a script from a licensed endo or urologist because they specialize in something else and brush off modern knowledge of hormonal medicines. There are outliers who are great of course, but shooting large most docs still go off their 30 year old medical textbooks unless it’s a new drugs being pushed to them for $$$$.
Thanks for sharing brother!