+ 1 hgh from legal steriods
I got it on the 3rd of march and started to inject myself with 2.5 ius every night before bed. so i am getting terrible irritation and pain at the injection site. has anyone else experienced this? The mfg
was 2025 as well. i have pinned in 4 different locations around my abdomen and i have tried 2 different vials to see if maybe one vial was bad but the 2nd vial gave me worse pain and with red skin around 2 inches around injection site. the 2nd injection felt like there was a small lump/abscess. I'm just sooo disappointed in this hgh cause i have waited so long and the quilty doesn't seem good because of all the inflammation/irritation i am getting at injection sites. I'm going to try a new box tonight and see if i still get irritation around injection site.
i ordered around novemeber as well. The first delivery they forgot the hgh, Customs seized the second delivery. 3rd delivery, they sent it to the wrong address, and the 4th delivery i finally got my hgh. they said in the source page they was going to give freebies for the inconvenience but i did not receive anything but i am fine with it as long as i got my hgh, but I think this is not good quality hgh since I get really bad irritation at the injection site. i have also tried kits4less hgh and i did not get any irritation at all compared to this hgh
Edit I use the same baco water water for my tirzepatide and bpc and I experience no irritation from those injections.
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Any update?
I've been pinning every day, and the irritation has decreased. I think my body is starting to get used to it. I suspect I built up some antibodies and initially had an allergic reaction, but now I'm not reacting as much. Although I still have some reaction, it's much milder than before. I'm sure ill stop having an reaction as long as I keep taking it
Glad to hear! I’d hate to see that much GH get tossed lol
I'd say pick up some real Pfizer Bac water online or from a local pharmacy, none of that junk off amazon or ug labs. Just to go ahead and rule out your Bac water first since you already have 8 kits you obviously wanna use.. Let your girl or a couple of your buddies pin a few iu's and see if they have the same issue. I've pinned my GH over the years with Bac water, sterile water, even distilled water in a pinch, no issues so I'd be inclined to agree with you that it's probably not your bac water that's the issue. I can tell you how I usually test my GH to make sure it's legit is when I crack open a new kit I take and pin an entire vial first thing in the morning when I wake up. Then 5-6hrs later if it's legit you should be extremely tired and fighting to keep your eyes open and stay awake. Now if you go about your day and you're not even tired, it's trash. But seriously though 10iu's of real high quality HGH should have you nodding off like you took some Oxy or something. Try that, at least you'll know if it's real or not. Works for me. Also I always pin my GH in my shoulders with a 29g 1/2" Slin pin. On a side note: you can't really expect high quality HGH for $47/kit. That's $0.47/iu... There's no telling what's in those vials tbh...you know.
Try pinning it intra muscular
I got welts, a little redness and what looked like bruising for the first week or 2. After that it stopped. I started at 2iu and worked my way up to 4iu with no issues. Maybe give it some time.
That irritation has no correlation with the efficacy of the GH. Is more likely a side effect of the stabilizers they use during the manufacturing process. But it can vary from people to people.
If you would like to understand, Kurt Havens breaks it down in this video: Watch from minute 11:31 to 12:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OAzmNJFaM&t=691s
It's nice to see guys linking to Vigorous Steve, Kurt & Chase more and more these days. Alot of good quality info from those guys. IYKYK
Absolutely!! In this world of TikTokers, we have to carefully look for the most credible information. I like scientific evidence and empirical knowledge too. And there are some good nerds who can pass on good information.
anvilOh there is a group here that stand firmly against scientific based information and continue to tell me about burnt androgen receptors and resetting them and a bunch info that has been proven to be wrong. PCT and taking as much time off as one and blah blah blah... Any who IYKYK , and we know!
Ya bro, I challenge any one of those type guys to walk in any decent gym and find the biggest guy in the gym and walk up and ask him how he does his PCT, lol. After he's done laughing in your face maybe he'll be cool enough to drop some knowledge on you.
PCT is a fraud we all know that
Kurt havens always coming with that great info!
Its an allergy. Theres 2 types of hgh. 191 and 192. Theres forums on here explaining the allergy as your body rejecting the not as good type.
Search forums. I saw several a couple weeks ago with citations. Guessing youre using good bac water and proper mixing so water spray doesnt hit the puck direct because that will destroy hgh
Very possible and good info to know.
191aa is what ALL pharma grade is and there are some UGL’s that produce it. Identical to what our body produces and much better imo. Biggest reason people get better results with pharma over UGL. More expensive to produce
192aa is much less expensive to produce and mostly comes from China. It is created by Inclusion body technology (expressing hgh gene in bacteria forming inclusion bodies, bodies solubilized and refolded to produce functional hGH) so it is not identical to what our bodies produce.
Problem with that tech is that it is proven to cause some to build up antibodies against the drug causing allergic reactions and/or complete neutralization- for others they get results undistinguishable from 191.
as I explained a few years ago, in China the production of GH at 192aa was abandoned many years ago, nobody produces 192aa in China anymore, it makes no sense, just to clarify
Very similar and good results yes. But some bodies dont like that slight change. Crazy stuff to think a small change can be so irritating
It is absolutely crazy, but I cannot say I’m surprised as all of our bodies are so different despite looking the same on the outside. Makes sense that something not biologically identical could cause issues, especially when sourced in the way it is.
I am 99% sure I am one of them, but haven’t done throughout enough testing to find out.
All pharma GH I have NEVER had an issue with. About 40% of UGL’s I’ll have a slight irritation that’s fades after 10 or so injections, and another 10% of them I will just have to discontinue the irritation is so severe.
Seems to be the cheaper products aswell.
the irritation is given by the purification column, the less often it is replaced the more irritation you will have
Loving the conversation
I found a brand that hits hard on blood test and no issues so i stick with it. Its hard to not want to shop around this huge candy shop here though. Lol
I enjoy this stuff. I pin 6iu before bed… what you are reporting sounds more like an issue with your bac water.
I use the same bacteria static water for my Bpc and tirzepatide and no irritation from those injections.
Bpc and tirz are totally different than HGH so just because it reacts with one doesnt mean it has to react the same with the other. Not saying its definitely the bac water but dont use that as comparison. If you really want to keep the hgh why not at least try a different bac water first? Its cheap enough
Use your best judgement.
anvilI have used this hgh exclusively for the past 18 months. I have had great results pinning from 3.33 iu daily up to 10iu. Numb hands yes, anything else ,no.
What you are describing happens to lists of people just starting off with subq gh injections. Most find it goes away after a week or two. This gh has janos and members here have tested their blood work all has come back legit.
There is no jano for this hgh. He only has jano for last year batch. The mfg for this batch is 2025. I have used kits4less hgh before and did not experience any of this. I have 4 diffrent irritation spots from 4 diffrent sub q injections, kits4less was no pain anytime after injection with bloodwork to show increased igf1.
anvilUnderstood, but source janos matter very little in our game, I believe they jano tested two times but came back over dosed. They can cherry pick results. There is a ton of members here using it here without issue so you have a large sample with very few issues. Just stating my experiences, if you are unhappy swap it for your favorite place.
This too… I get lumps all the time… bad pin, same spot hit more than once, body just doing body stuff. Always goes away and never shown signs of infection.
I’m assuming a high dimer content or there freeze drying process causing this irritation for me. It’s actually painful for me to touch around the injection site. Kits4less was no pip.
Swelling? Redness or discoloration? Hot to the touch? Pain scale?
Some people are more sensitive but as @anvil said pretty common with generics as they use so many different things to help keep it stable.
That latter source you mentioned has no PIP for you quite literally burns like alcohol when I inject it, yet has no pain post injection. I find that strange, but again we never know quite what’s in UGL GH past the dosage.
I have never had a true abscess from GH, but it is possible. I have found that the slight inflammation will resolve itself within 10 or so injections, but there has been a couple brands that just don’t agree with me and that others love.
As @Wildling said a pic would help if you are unsure on the severity and/or worried about it.
Post a photo of your abdomen so we can see.
anvilAccording to the other sources here , what you are describing would likely result in the gh becoming very cloudy after reconstitution .
Water content in the freeze drying process could contribute to cloudiness, but with dimer and/or whatever else the manufacturer uses to keep it stable (99.9999% use additives) it is 100% possible to produce a crystal clear solution with a TON of different stabilizing agents.
No comment about this GH as I haven’t tried it, but just wanted to say cloudiness doesn’t directly correlate to high dimer. I guarantee there’s something in it to help keep stable, but only the manufacturer knows truly.
If you want to send it off for in depth testing use someone adjacent to JPT or really anyone who does more than quantitative/qualitative. Janos and most other companies that target steroid users & UGL’s are just finding the compound and how much is in it. MAYBE dimer if you pay more.
With a good lab you’ll get
-Purity determination
-Molecular weight determination
-Peptide sequencing
-Peptide & Building block structure confirmation
-Peptide solubility
-Peptide stability
-Peptide Quantitation/Content Determination
-Amino Acid composition
-Residual solvent determination
-Residual water determination
-Residual counter-ion determination
-Enantiomeric Integrity
-Bacterial Endotoxin test
-Peptide Sterility test
-Cell toxicity test
-Bioburden determination
Lots more possibilities but also sadly lots of these in-depth testing companies require the products tested to come from a manufacturer/company.
Only way to truly know what’s in the products though.
Anecdotal evidence and bloods can show that it contains GH and if you know how your body typically responds to different dosages you can get pretty accurately reassured.
Always putting out great info!
you right, this is correct , Water content in the freeze drying process could contribute to cloudiness
Funny you speak about dosages. The Baboon kits I have are 12iu per vial based on the jano. Adjusting accordingly made a difference so I didn’t have a swing in my levels.
I would pull bloods and test igf as stated below to see if it’s real hgh and also maybe change the bac water your using. I remember I was using a bac water off of Amazon a year ago and kept having same issue and when I switched brands It stopped. Also could be a reaction to whatever fillers used in the freeze drying process as these guys are not Pfizer, so the equipment used is nothing compared to the pharmaceutical companies.
I use the same baco water for my tirzepatide and bpc and there is no irritation at all. I’ve been using bpc for a while with that bacteria static water, no pain.
Personally, I had great results with this gh. The only problem I experienced was shipping issues. Otherwise for me, this was some of the cleanest gh I’ve used in awhile.
Do a blood test and check your igf1 levels , also does anyone else have any previous experience with GDROIDS HGH ?
anvilHow does this help?
If the HGH is real his IGF1 should be in an elevated range , anyways I tried deleting my comment but does not let me , I’ve learned better now for next time . My apologies.
I’ve had the baboon Pharma HGH I’ve had no negative side effects no lumps no pip
anvilNo apologies needed. IYKYK , the gh from this place is prolly the product I state by the most. But who knows, maybe we are completely of. FYI the labeled and the unlabeled is the same exact product per GD himself.
Labels helps me out lmao. Wifey knows what I’m doing but the box and labels make it look “pharma” so she doesn’t ask many questions. What is it? What does it do? But have yet to be asked where do they make it? Who makes it? Where does it come from? lol
I personally like the look as well.
anvilYes for sure looks more official. It makes it 10 more clam shells.
This is a review site…