+ 2 Test Results after BP Issues
Quick Backstory:
11/13- Had a couple hour episode feeling uncomfortable: 11/24- It came back hard, extreme discomfort for couple days(Found Bp was way up) 12/2- Bp came up to 173/93 Hr103, rough couple days. Otherwise I’ve felt like a million bucks this whole cycle.
Cycle started 10/4/24. I’ve been running 400mg Test E wk. I’ve put Test Prop, Tren E and A at different times, low doses in my system to see reactions. I know, I deserved every bit of criticism for doing that. I know I’m a dumbass sometimes.
Here is the results from my Labs after the BP Issues I was having. I’m alittle mad that the Test Free and Ttl are capped. Looking at some of the other numbers, those could indicate the potential cause of the issue. I really shouldve got cortisol, prolactin, progesterone etc… checked. I think the Estro Number alone could explain why I experienced what I did. Definitely got more research to do. The other main issue I have is this sinus blockage.
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EfficientPhysiologyFirst and foremost get into to see a doctor asap and follow his advice not mine. Your kidney function is not great and the kidneys work directly to filter out excess fluid to lower BP. Also, plateles and liver values are off. I would push fluids, keep sodium intake low and start taking daily aspirin. Stop the Tren until things normalize. Monitor BP daily.
I think I got a PcP that’ll take me. Going to see them asap. I’ve started everything you suggested days ago except the aspirin, which I’ve read is a good idea to run daily if it’s baby aspirin. I appreciate the information brother. Thank you.
So I see you got those bloods huh? Hope you're feeling better. Yeah man it seems maybe some compounds maybe aren't for you but I wouldn't worry about that, be more worried about your health. I see a few of your blood markers and what stands out is the BUN being low. LDL cholesterol getting kinda crazy too so keep an eye on that. Anyways man I hope this gets figured out. Worst case scenario you may have to abort or lower your dose immediately. Hope that helps
Thanks bro, yea. I’m definitely making adjustments already. The liver markers indicate liver failure/disease which I think is from putting Tren in my system. Then the cholesterol would be affected plus it’s hereditary for me. Add in the estro and it’s a going to be a problem. I quit caffeine a couple weeks ago and surprisingly it’s a remedy for those issues above. I’m going to drop my BF% rather than try to bulk for a bit. I was thinking maybe PCT. Reset. Start again or I can just try to run Test through the holidays and then PCT, Prep for spring cut.
Yeah agreed. Yeah best to go ahead and cut your loss and move forward with caution. And that wouldn't surprise me about Tren. Such a nasty ass compound. Well sounds like u have a plan.
I’ve already made great progress in those 8 weeks so I’m not mad about it. It feels really good to be back to “normal”. My body naturally seems to put muscle on better when my Bf% is higher and I don’t like being small/thin/skinny but I think that is causing issues. Got to find a better happy medium.
What all are you taking and what doses? Why are your liver enzymes elevated? How much tren? Orals? Definitely need way more details to even make any kind of educated guess. Age? You smoke? Drugs? Diet? Dosages of other compounds. I don't see 400mg of Test E causing these types of numbers. I know you mentioned tren A and E, that alone can cause bp issues and liver issues, especially with unchecked estro. Did you run pre cycle bloods? If not you should next time . You may have already had some of these numbers already, who knows with out bloods.
Basically tried Tren E for 2/3 weeks at 150mg/wk roughly. Low dose. Then the same for A, 2 weeks, 30/40mg EOD. When issue started first time I cut all tren. No orals, Age:38, No smoking, No drugs, High protein/sodium diet which I’ve adjusted already. Before cycle I went to a clinic and they checked T levels. Which was 350ng/dl TTl and 10.2 Free IIRC. High Cholesterol runs in my family.
Out of interest mate, did you do these bloods shortly after a training session - within 48 hours? That could explain the high liver levels a bit. I didn't realise you ran the tren that low and for such a short amount of time, it definitely won't be to blame for that 108 ALT reading.
Yes, I trained the night before. I had to keep moving, hydrating, circulating so I went hard as hell on cardio(2mi on treadmill, 5mi on upright bike, 2mi on sitting bike, 1mi on thread) and then did some bench pressing/lat pull downs+variation. For the tren, What would be the range or dosage where it becomes toxic to trigger those numbers? As I understand now, basically any amount in the system can be a problem.
How is your BUN low? Hard workouts alone raise that numbers. Add in protein and theyre higher. Thats odd
That number is out of the reference range by 1 point. I would have to do more research about it. I did creatine 2x/wk for years but cut it at start of cycle. I don’t know if that would cause fluctuations.
Typically a dr freaks out on the bun because just lifting weights really bumps it up high. Was just curious and future tests will show how your individual body works. Good luck!! Sounds by your replies you learned a lot
Sure did. I really appreciate the info. Thanks again.
Yeah I found that extremely odd myself. Shit increased muscle mass increases bun creatine ratio. That and protein too.
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I hear ya. The body has daiky fluctuations but i also wonder if tests have occasional blips in readings. Like tren with the wrong test shows tren as estro.
Appreciate the post! Agree with below. Estro will spike me up. Add in a lil dehydration, stress etc and boom
You running any HGH with this?
You’re thinking water retention right? Salty food over the holidays and testosterone bloating up the cells? I’m not hijacking the guts thread but I had the same thing happen over the holiday. ER visit.
Damn man. Thats killer! Glad you’re okay and always better safe than sorry.
Thanks buddy, I’ve been in dicey situations a few times in the ER. Just give the wife a kiss and tell her I love her, and say see you later. What happens after that point really isn’t up to me.
Jump in man, This ended with me at the ER too just because the circumstances. Any info here will help out.
I’m really leaning towards agreeing completely with the ER doc I saw. Just gluttonous amounts of food loaded with salt over the weekend. By Tuesday it was normal, then I took an antihistamine to help me sleep and it went to what’s crazy low for me. Turning 50 next year I need to be more aware of the fact that even a food binge can have serious consequences, especially running hormones.
Facts!! Was on vacation last week and was off the diet. Took few days for BP to come back.
It’s frustrating right? And we who do what we do take a little more care of our bodies than the slovenly. But, it should remind us that the French fries are bouncing around our vitals like that, imagine the health markers of the 5’3” 300lb people we see walking around. Well, waddling around.
Absolutely!! I don't know how ppl could eat like that day in day out smh. It's funny how how quickly our bodies know something is out of whack from being so regimented.
That’s part of it too though, if we kept it up our bodies would adjust to a degree. But we eat very clean consistently, no or not much alcohol or hard drugs, we exercise. Then a week of unhealthy food throws us for a loop. The human body is an amazing organism right?
The ability to adapt and achieve homeostasis despite whatever external/internal factors has always intrigued me. Tolerances, biomechanisms, etc. I have always loved Pharmacology, Biology, Anatomy, and Physiology and I know a lot of others guys here do too.
Mortality and aging is a fickle thing huh… even at my age some times I’ll be in the gym or just trying to do something I used to be able to do in my teenage l years/20’s and sometimes over the years unbeknownst to me my body just stopped being able to perform certain things in that same way haha! Really eye opening when you run into something like that for the first time. Your brain and inner younger self wants to just do it, but your body and physical limitations start pulling ya back!
Especially with the food. I’ve never been one for hard drugs, gave up alcohol, now food? Sometimes you just have to say “what the fuck?”
Ya man you’re not kidding. I’m 32 and I think most of my health issues and just daily issues I encounter are all diet related. It blows my mind, I’m like “really?? We can handle the heroin and cocaine all through the 20s but now in my 30s, a honey bun is putting me out of commission??? Wtf!”
It’s fucked right? A liter of vodka and a few sixteenths or a Henry of coke throughout the night and go to work the next day. Now I’m fucked up if I don’t take the skin off the fried chicken! Fuck!
lol shits wild man. Im happy I’m not doing that other stuff still. I can’t imagine how much worse id feel if I was drinking all the time or went on a bender or something. I guess in some weird way I’m grateful that my diet is my biggest problem today
Exactly. If that’s the worst thing we have to worry about, we’re doing great.
There is definitely something to it. After doing more research; noticing my Lipids being pretty bad, accompanied with the Liver Issues, add in the high Estro: than have the body try to digest a shit ton of sodium/preservatives. It sounds like a recipe for an issue.
The Trenbolone will of raised your liver levels bud, maybe not as much as it seems to have but it is still toxic shit - hence why its so bad for kidneys. Do you drink alcohol I am assuming with your being Irish?
No. I haven’t had a drink in a year. And it was years before that since the last. I’m done with that and other substances for life.
Yeah my last bender was my last bender, I’m just done with it. The last one turned into Leaving Las Vegas, chugging vodka in the shower at 6AM to stop the spasms and hyperventilating. And there’s no buzz, go straight from feeling like shit from withdrawal to feeling like shit from drinking vodka for breakfast, it’s poison. Last ER visit for alcohol they actually wrote “bender” in the clinical notes lol
New Level Unlocked: Bender Status. When the hospital is writing that in the notes, you know you had a crazy weekend. I miss those days in a certain regard.
Yea HGH water retention + high E2 water retention. And I only thought of HGH because his T4 is low. Running Supra-physiological doses of HGH drives more T4 to convert to T3 so you often end up low on the ref range for T4.
I thought hgh too bro and high does of tren you ever see these guys that are slot of tren they start to' turn purple I hear ppl saying oh that's the tren tan lol
No HGH, the T4 is only .5 below the reference range. I definitely think I have water retention going on(swelling in legs/feet, slightly in hands) but I’m not experienced enough to know specifics.
Yeah a bit below but a few things like liver disease, medications etc can cause that also. Hope this all gets figured out. But ok no GH so that helps with eliminating that
Estrogen is usually always the problem let it get it out of wack and shit will start to go crazy and your mental as well Always my experience at least.
So true . I took a small vacation, no gym. Than thanksgiving came than a few nights of drinking and just not on top my diet and what I'm used to and my mental state got fkkkked and I know it was all my estro .it's so crazy how that can take total control
That’s pretty much what happened.
May want to check d dimer cause the platelets are eleveated. Maybe use ezatamibe or rosuvstatin to get lipids in check.
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Just out of curiosity, are you taking any supplements (NAC, Omega-3's, Zinc etc..)? That high estrogen is defiantly causing you issues it looks like. I've heard other people say Tren gives them flu like symptoms? Might explain the sinus issue.
No supps other than Beet Root. I finally took Aromisan the past couple days and been feeling better with lots of hydration and greens in the diet. I think the tren is definitely causing the sinus issue. It’s been getting clearer since I stopped the tren.