posted Wed, 09/11/2024 - 06:03
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Suggestions regarding cruising periods
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I'm rather new to this world and due to the overwhelming amount of information on the web, and in person, I figured I'd kinda get more opinions and hopefully formulate and execute a plan. I'm in my 40s. I've ran 2 cycles, both consisting of sus & tren. Last cruise was 200/wk trt cyp.
A) How long would you wait between cycles.
B) Is there anything you would run with the TRT that's not going to be considered a nonstop cycle.
I'd appreciate suggestions/advice.
1 guy I've trained with for years says small dose of mast w cyp
The other says nothing but cyp.
Thanks.
Mike
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Gotta say you are a tough one to start your cycle with Trenbolone :). So, I think you may not be consider all the factors that can affect your cruising.
Different compounds and stacks have different effects on your glands. Therefore, the duration of the cruising period will also directly depend on the cycle you did before. You’ve provided not all info, but I can assume that you used a Test Mix, most likely with Trenbolone Enanthate or Tren Mix.
Frankly speaking, I believe that using products like Trenbolone Enanthate (or Mix) and Nandrolone Decanoate over the age of 40 is not the best choice. It's safe to say that these two compounds are potentially the most dangerous when it comes to gland suppression. If these risks can be overlooked before age of 20-25, then at the age 40+ you need to be more careful. You should pay attention to the selection of compounds in your stacks for your cycles. Try to do this in a way that minimizes gland suppression to avoid a prolonged cruising for recovery. Think about it; you might achieve the same results after your cycle + cruise with less headache.
Regarding your question, listen to the guy who recommends you to use Cypionate only.
For your second question: consider herbal supplements with ingredients like Tribulus, Ginseng, Ashwagandha, and Shilajit. Look for these products from traditional medicine manufacturers. I do not recommend buying them from sports nutrition manufacturers.
Thank you for the input. That's why I was hoping I could get more directions vs reddit.
Starting strong has been my course of action my whole life haha. Do it to the max, or don't do it at all. I was just really hoping I could take 2 weeks off, get labs, and crush it between jobs bc I'm unable to pull 5 days a week like I need to in my line of work. Up at 0430 and usually home by 2100-2200 and after that, good luck doing anything but sleep so you can do it the next day. But, at this point it comes down to a 1 time deal and then as mentioned here, accept the risks or don't. Anyways, greatly appreciated!
My bro we have a lot in common. Do it full throttle or don’t do it at all. Unfortunately, the use of PEDs does not fall into that category. There’s real drugs being reviewed here, no BS, what’s in the label is actually in the vial. It’s easy to get yourself in trouble, trouble that will take many visits to a physician to get straightened out. Keep things within reason, you’ll enjoy the gains!
Nothing but test. And honestly even 200 mg/wk might be too high. You want all bio markers at healthy “in-range” values for however long you’re willing to say is an acceptable risk range for you. Some only do one cycle a year then cruise rest of the year. Others do more. It comes down to what your tolerable level of risk is. No matter how safely you conduct yourself in this world, it is inherently damaging and dangerous to your health.
You shouldn’t need an AI while running your cruise or TRT dose or whatever you want to call it. Lower dose and/or increasing pinning frequency are ways to avoid adding an AI, having more stable bloods, and thus more stable/healthy biomarkers.
Keep up with your cardio on cruise, maintain your moderately healthy diet, and don’t go crazy with recreational drugs or alcohol (honestly you should avoid those entirely if you’re using AAS but to each their own) and you should be relatively safe.
I cut on my TRT/cruise of 150-170mg/wk of just Test. Usually cut for 12-16 weeks. Then go in a maintenance period of calories for a couple weeks. Then ramp back up in to a cycle (usually 20 weeks) and caloric surplus. I only use AAS to grow, not cut. I’ve found I can cut just fine on just test or test + HGH. I guess this equates to roughly 2 cycles a year for myself.
Nice. See. That's what my guy said. Test and hgh. My issue is, last cycle I didn't get enough training in, felt it was wasted, would you disagree that 1x running a cycle (8 weeks bc mental gets to be too much) in 2 weeks bc I am out of work for 3 months so I can really kill it. I most def wouldn't do that anymore but I feel I need to take advantage of the no schedule. I don't wanna end up on dialysis but I don't think 1x would cause major damages. Also, I'm sober (minus gear) 100% so rec and booze is not a factor.
If you can’t last more than 8 weeks on cycle then the compounds your using aren’t the right ones for you. Later on if you have a certain goal that tren can help you achieve in that 8 weeks than that’s fine, but for now you should be using a compound that you can run for 12 weeks and feel good. But if you can’t workout at all when your off cycle then idk really know what the point is. What happens after those three months off? Do you then work for three months and can’t workout during that time and then 3 off again? Or how does that work?
If I knew I was coming up on a period where I could focus 100% like that on diet and training hard, then yea I’d run it even if I hadn’t been off for an ideal period of time. I’d go get bloodwork and if things looked mostly good (but not yet to baseline) then I’d hit that go button. Then probably do a longer than typical cruise after.
So you're saying a one time deal shouldn't hurt if labs check out? Bc I'm really wanting to do that, but I don't wanna end up like the ones I take care of in end stage kidney disease on dialysis, or acute kidney injury and be in the hospital w that. Just a tough call.
Well what are you trying to run for the cycle? You could build a cycle around compounds that aren’t straining the kidneys too bad. Like no var or tren. Biggest damaging component to kidneys though is blood pressure. You keep that in check and you should be fine. It’s the folks who say “oh I’m on cycle so it’s ok being 140/90ish for these 16 weeks” who end up really fucking up their kidneys. Keep that BP in check with the proper meds and estro control and your BP shouldn’t be elevated like that. Things like solo telmisartan (up to 80mg a day), telmisartan + Nebivolol combo at 40mg and 5mg respectively (great synergistic effect between those two), cialis daily 5mg or 10mg, or telmisartan with cialis.
I like telmisartan because studies have shown it has other benefits outside of just the BP regulation like left ventricular hypertrophy reduction, insulin sensitivity increases, and increased efficiency of skeletal muscle function.
And keep up with your cardio for the BP regulation too. Even if you’re bulking. Hey just means you get to eat a couple more treats each day from the extra burning cals lol that’s a win for my sweet tooth.
I just looked uo the nebivolo wow alot of possble side affects.
You can run it real low when used in conjunction with telmisartan. 5mg or even 2.5mg. Has few “common” side effects and naturally, like all medications, has a ton of “less common” side effects. You know how they have to cover all their bases for liability purposes.
Monday my doctor prescribed me amlodipine Im going to contact her and ask her tonprescibe me these. The one proscribed i read reviewd 27% felt betttter 54 % felt like more shit
Amlodipine works for me, but we’re all different. You’ll get it figured out broski
The best med or combo of meds varies so drastically person to person when it comes to BP meds. I just hope you find the best option for you soon, so you’re back to your heavy hitting dick slinging lifestyle 100% healthy.
@SeeOhShow @Drexyl
Man i hope your right. Ive been looking at this medicine on my counter. But if our friend drexyl is doing fine on it i will probably try it tomorrow. My cardiologists appointment is in two weeks we will see
My alt test came back at 309
My ast came back at 98
Blood pressure 195/111 and 190/93
What compounds/things have you been running that could of got your Liver numbers looking like that do you think? Tren/Anavar?
Joys of our over booked medical system. Numbers like that and they just punt you 2 weeks down the road.
I really do hope you get it figured out. I’ll be thinking about you for sure.
Yeah that's where I'm kinda getting bogged down In the information. I know this last cycle I cut quite a bit of weight but I was wanting to bc I gained 40lbs fat during RN school. So I did a recomp. Now I'm getting too lean (or have gotten). So preference would be something that's gonna bulk, but with minimal repercussions. My BP last 2 checks were surprisingly, 110/79 and 115/ something (can't remember but def WNL) so BP at this moment is fine. I def know the dangers surrounding uncontrolled hypertension... quite common in the south . So, idk.... did a recent echo and it's flawless. So short of labs, I feel I could tolerate 8 weeks
You could always go get a cystatin C test to completely alleviate any anxiety you have about your kidney health.
But if your lipid panel is looking mostly fine, CMP looks mostly fine, then yea 8 weeks ain’t gonna wreck you.
The standard eGFR calculated from creatinine can be a shitty indicator for kidney health for us. High protein diets, always lifting hard, and aupplements we take can really skew that. For example I consistently get a eGFR calculated from creatinine in the 70s. My cystatin C test with eGFR was in the mid/high 90s.
This is a lot of back and forth, but if it were me I’d be running the cycle lol. I do appreciate your caution though. Being 8 weeks I’d stick with short esters. Test prop, NPP, tren ace, mast prop, or orals (inj or tablet). Me personally would do test prop NPP because I have a combo mix from a source here that’s 100/100 of each. Easy to draw and pin from one vial. Can grow a bunch from just those two. Could add some mast prop too if you wanna use a compound as AI vs taking arimidex or aromasin
As it stands I have 2 12ml mast P, sus, tren E, primo, d-bol on hand as well as test C and E. Suggestion based on that.
If this is only for 8 weeks then your only options out of that list are sus, mast p, and dbol.
You won’t hit peak serum with test c or e until week 6ish. At least with sus you have prop and phenyl prop in there to get going immediately. It’s not as ideal as just straight test prop, but it’ll still get you going faster than just test e or test c will. You’ll never get the full benefit of the longer esters in the sus due to cycle length, but you can just pin the sus ED or EOD and ride the prop and phenyl prop in it for those 8 weeks.
Or order some test prop and whenever it comes in switch over from the sus to the prop. This is honestly the best option for your current scenario.
I also sent a request. Wanted to ask stupid question
Accepted. I’m full of stupid answers so ask away.
Perfect. Thanks man! Again!
Got it man
Thanks for the input. I'm thinking it'll be okay. Consistently absolutely not.... but I really wanna take advantage of the time away from the job.