+ 6 am I little too serious about the recovery?
I'm about to undergo my second knee surgery in about three weeks, and I've decided to fully commit to my healing schedule. I've increased my growth hormone (GH) intake to 6 IU (running genotropin and oneQ, both from nordmass) daily and restocked on TB500 and BPC157 from my friends at Driada. I'm taking 1 mg of each daily, which is quite costly, but I can really tell the significant difference these peptides are making! My knee feels much stronger and allows for a full range of motion. It does hurt, but I feel better every day!
I also use IGF-1 LR3 because I believe it promotes hyperplasia. I inject a mixture of these three directly into the center of the knee joint, which isn't very comfortable, but I believe that causing structural damage and microtrauma increases blood flow and elicits a stronger local response.¨
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So you're the reason that driada introduced the 10 mg BPC-157, now it all makes sense! All jokes aside, I wish you a solid recovery brother.
BJJ UNIVERSEI recommend you reduce the dosage of growth hormone to 3 IU. However, too high a level of collagen synthesis will make tendons and ligaments very stiff and in turn this can increase the risk of repeated injury.
Sorry about the injury brother but by telling what u got and where u got it from your in very good hands and I expect you'll be back better than ever nordmass is a gem! There oxytropin hgh is fire and cheap Keep working hard bro let us know how the recovery is coming
BJJ UNIVERSEOxytropin is the cheapest hormone from Russia, probably one of the worst. It has filled the European market and is dumping prices, which is good for us, the inhabitants of Europe, but at the same time its quality is the lowest. I wouldn't use it even if I got paid for it.
I appreciate you my man, thanks!
Biggest thing that expedited my recovery from knee/ACL surgery was actually the testosterone. Started well before the surgery and had almost zero atrophy and strength loss in the surgery leg post op. Rebuilding the muscle is the longest part of rehab post surgery, so that you have all the supporting muscles strong enough to support the knee. If you start rehab already with all the muscle still there you’re way ahead of the curve. Was back to ATG squatting 405 3 months after surgery. Back to dunking 6 months after surgery.
Don’t neglect the muscle part in the your recovery by focusing solely on healing the ligaments/tendons.
I never stopped testosterone as its my lifetime regimen. I even trained legs day before surgery so I started rehab strong. yet twelve weeks fixed took its taxes hard. My leg was thinner and weaker than my arm and I was unable to bend it over 10% without help. Of course I did my best and excersised daily, but in some cases drugs are just not enough. Even though its getting much better last weeks, I've still didn't passed 50% of my recent leg volume neither its strength after almost 5 months.
Oof 12 weeks immobilized?? Jeez man… I thought they did away with that. I think the recent literature around knee surgeries is letting the patient bend/move it is actually better for recovery. They used to immobilize ACL surgery too but now they lean towards moving it as soon as possible. Losing that ROM on knee flexion/extension is a total pain in the ass to regain. I had full knee extension almost immediately but it took over a year to get full flexion by putting my heel to my butt.
I can empathize with you 100%. I wouldn’t wish knee surgery on anyone. Especially those of us in the lifting culture. Takes it toll on you mentally seeing atrophy and not being able to do what you usually can.
Yeah, that's what some other doctors think too. But unfortunately, this surgeon really insisted on fixing the leg, and I think that didn't help much.
I think you’re likely right about the micro trauma catalyzing further healing. I would imaging the TBs propensity for new capillary growth may be enhanced. I wonder if a bit of micro-needling would be of further use. Like 1.5 - 2 mm. I know that encourages new blood vessel growth & cartilage development, as well as autophagy of the immediate area which may help remove damaged cells & such
are you telling me to start using that microneedling tool I have, to grow my beard to my knee as well, with a litttle more pressure? B-)
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I recently ran a post operative healing protocol. If you’re looking to throw the kitchen sink at at, maybe include HMB, glutamine, arginine….
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10626290/
Also, Oxandrolone and some other medications….
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/102177/cdc_102177_DS1.pdf
Take this one with a grain of salt bro… I’m not too sure about sky high IGF-1 levels for healing. Something about stopping programed cell death not necessarily being a good thing. My understanding is you pay attention to any minor skin wounds that may have and if they don’t seem to be healing then your levels are too high
interesting read, thank you dude!
I think PEG mgf might be good for growing new tissue, I could be wrong tho. I forgot why but I was going to use it to try and heal this massive scarred up chunk in my leg. Never got around to it, still got a bottle in the fridge.
Anyways my man @23Sparta is all about that recovery
Oh yeah, he’s trying to do what I just tried to do
KonstantViktoryAside from the potential cancerous effects of IGF 1, no, I'd day that's right on track for 100% optimal amounts to facilitate the quickest short term recovery. How long do you plan on running that for? I would think, 10 days would be enough. Everyone has a different strategy here, but it's generally agreed a "full" cycle of Helix Peptides (BPC and TB500) is generally somewhere around 10-20mg each.
As far as HGH goes, 6-8iu for 6-8 months for years on end is a pretty standard amongst pros... side effects become apparent and complications may arise depending on lifestyle and individual response. Only one of those cycles is truly needed for permanent satellite cell signally to gain new muscle cells and mass... yet we have bloat mutants ballooning up on 30iu daily for 3 years lol...
I'd think a 1-3 total 3-8 months blasts at 3-8 iu would be enough, then switching to single and double unit strategies would make for more than an elite HRT protocol.
Then again, I could end up 5 years down the road with a fuckton of money and end up changing my mind..... huehuheuheue
TLDR; IGF 1 can be dangerous, 10-20mg of BPC or TB500 total should be enough for most, and HGH doses vary greatly.
My plan was for 30 days... 30 mg of each compound except for the IGF Lr3, which I'm doing 0.25 mg daily, and the HGH, about 1.8 mg daily (quick math).
Regarding the HGH, I've been using it for over 16 months, ranging from 3 to 6 IU. I feel good and have blood tests done every 3-4 weeks to monitor everything. It doesn't seem to be affecting me negatively in any way
You’re taking 1 mg of TB500 and BPC157 daily so 7mg a week … how are you finding that ? I got great results on 2.5mg twice weekly . So many different dosage and schedules for these at the minute not sure anyone knows what’s best amount or way to run it at the minute
5 or 7 mg/week is not a significant difference. I prefer most stable concentrations of anything and I don't mind pinning often. We're all a laboratory rats by choice, aren't we? I like to inject after a hot shower or a tub or at least excersise the area before and after pin, to ensure that there is enough blond flow, because I believe nutriment transportation to a problematic area is mandatory, no matter what.
Lmk how you get on with it bro
Yes, I will. I'm already pretty sure it works though, because that knee feels much better since I started the protocol. It's like a miracle in my eyes, considering it's been 4 months since the surgery and nothing really improved until I started peptides. They caused a huge improvement immediately
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AK80Nothing ever worked for me. Not TB500, BPC157 nor Anavar. Taking 2 weeks off the joint effected (right elbow for me) was what worked. Glad to hear it is working for you though!
This is the answer. We all hate it but it’s the way. GH probably will help some, but you need to let it heal. Which means you need to stay off it and rest.
Increasing blood flow to the area without any strain is the best way to heal. Heating it and elevation will help. Stay away from cold. Icing injuries is bad and has been shown to hinder recovery.
I’ve never used those peptides, but if they increase blood flow they’ll help.
Stay strong brother and good luck with your recovery!
Thank you dude!
Ive learned to use kinesiology tape often. Does reverse of compression and opens the area up by pulling skin away and allowing more blood flow for healing. Invest in a couple rolls and google your injury on how to tape it. Works wonders. If NBA and NFL are using it for million dollar athletes to get back into the game then you know it works
Dude that's interesting. Might need to watch few videos to find out how to tape properly. Because I guess its not as simple as it looks, right?
Different searches have a couple ways but basically if you cover the affected area and have the enough stretch you cant go wrong
I have that knee taped all around already dude! Got some tape today, let's see the miracle now!
Nice. Less evasive. Let me know if it feels better