posted Sat, 04/13/2024 - 17:17
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Test/Var Cycle Critique
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Mapping out a 10 week cycle based on days not weeks of that makes sense. Wanting to do 200 mg test c every 3 days (equivalent of 400 per week although some weeks would have 600 base on a 3 day pin schedule) and 50 mg Anavar every day along with 250mg HCG every other day for 10 weeks.
PCT would then kick in for 4 weeks starting 7days after last pin. PCT would be 200mg clomid on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of week 1, 150 mg clomid Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday of week 1.
All of week 2 would be 100mg clomid daily, all of week 3 would be 50mg clomid daily, and week 4 would be 25mg clomid daily.
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Ten weeks of Var is a bad idea, Bro. 4-6 weeks tops. No oral should be run for 10 weeks besides maybe Proviron
AK80I've done 8 weeks of Anavar with no issues. 25mg under the tongue (25% more bioavailable) in the morning and another 25mg in the evening. Whatever small % that maybe happened to end up going through my liver, I'm sure the TUDCA and NAC helped with. Of course, either taking a break on the weekends to drink or doing it all week and not drinking at all.
Is this your 1st steroid cycle? If so then 200mg Test Cyp every 3 days alone will be a good starting point. Then add another compound on your 2nd cycle.
Have you taken Anavar before? Im currently taking 20mg/day and actually happy with the effects so dont see a need to raise it.
250mg HCG every other day for 10 weeks? How did you come up with that? I have always only added HCG post cycle to start PCT. Since your doing Test Cyp I would start the HCG 10 days after your last shot of Cyp. I would take 500IU's HCG every day for 10 days, then start your Clomid.
I dont see a reason to run HCG during your cycle, but if you really wanted to i would only take 250IU's every 5 days. I am under the impression your body can get used to the HCG leading to natural test production becoming low. Unless you naturally have low test.
Take the Clomid once HCG is done, take 100-150mg for 1-2 weeks, then 50-100mg for 1-2 weeks, then 50mg 1-2 weeks.
Though i typically stick with Nolvadex for PCT.
Yes, it is my first cycle. I want to run Anavar as it helps with collagen synthesis to support joint health. I think 25mg might be ok also so I’ll probably start there. Although some studies found 40 to be the golden dosage for most of the participants, I’m wanting to take anavar more so for the collagen synthesis. Any anabolic effect is just a plus.
Dylan Gemelli suggested 1000iu HCG every week. There were also a few studies done with peer-reviewed articles on Google scholar that had trials that used 250iu of HCG eod (basically the same as 1000iu per week) to prevent hpta shutdown before it happens with good results so I’m gonna try that route. Prevents the issue before it becomes an issue and should, in theory, make PCT more cruisy. I might just do every third day so the pinning matches the test c pinning schedule.
You are right that HCG lowers androgynous test which is why I want to use it on cycle instead of during pct. It’s mildly suppressive and I need all the androgynous test I can get as my exogenous supply has just stopped. Dylan Gemelli can explain it better than I can, but his word isn’t gospel either. Peer-reviewed articles are what I prefer most.
Why do you prefer nolvadex over clomid? Are the dosages/regiment the same? How long do you wait between cycles and how long do your cycles typically last?
Dylan is the biggest dummy on the net.
For joint relief I like adding in low dose Deca, around 100mg/week I find gives notable positive effects. Since your already going to pin Test you can add it in to one of the weekly shots, and it is less expensive than Anavar. Search around for Deca increasing bone mineral content and enhancing collagen synthesis. I have had positive personal experience with Deca for joint relief, i unfortunately do not have that much experience with Anavar for joint relief.
As for Nolavadex its just something I have always taken and have nothing against Clomid. I have it on hand as an anti-E during cycles, use it PCT for stimulating LH and FSH production. Also a plus is I usually get the 20mg 50 tab boxes which is perfect for a 40/20/10 PCT run. 40mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 20mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 10mg/day 2 weeks.
I have been using gear for 20+ years and usually keep it simple. Cycle length is typically 10 weeks+, planned around 10ml bottles of Test so thats why I say 10 weeks+. Ive done cycles with Deca and/or EQ that went around the 16 week length. Recovery time is usually at least the same time on cycle. I actually never took Anavar until recently. My goals were different when I was younger to my goals now that im getting older. One thing is it seems I gain size easier and lose fat harder now.
One thing i recently started looking in to is BPC-157. I have a messed up hip which i why i started taking the Deca for it, im wondering if the BPC-157 can give even more relief. i was into peptites years ago, IGFlr3, GNrH etc.
And it’s not androgynous lol it’s homogenous.
No homo dude. No homo.
Lmao
I think it’s actually endogenous, not homogenous or androgynous.
Exogenous is like synthetic or not from the body, androgynous means having no gender lol and homogenous means like identical, or like the natural chemical the body makes. And idk what endogenous means lol
Edit: so I just looked it up and the definitions are very similar but you may be right that the best choice may be endogenous but you could also use homogeneous. Homogenous means identical to and endogenous means “originating from within the organism”
What’s weird is that, after reading the definitions, I would think your word, endogenous would be best, but everyone I’ve heard it read scientific stuff or “experts” speaking on this kind of stuff they always use “homogenous” for our bodies testosterone and “exogenous” for testosterone that we inject. But I’d think “endogenous” would better fit for talking about our bodies own hormones. I wonder why they don’t use it? Or maybe the people I listen to aren’t so smart after all lol
If you’re listening to the spoken word they all sound incredibly similar. Maybe that’s what’s creating the confusion.
Thats why I thought it was “androgynous.” Because I heard it from the spoken word, not the written word, and I guess I heard them wrong lol.
Do you already have bad joints - you shouldn't have really if this is your first cycle? There are better ways of helping joints and tendons without resorting to steroids that will affect your kidneys and liver, use Collagen Peptides along with 1 gram Vit C per day. Glucosamine & Chondroitin, MSM powder, hyaluronic acid, EAA's will all help that front.
I’m gave myself a biceps tendinopathy in January of 2023. It’s healed enough that I’m lifting more and harder than before. There’s no pain but there is a slight twinge that won’t go away. I’ll definitely look into those vitamins and supplements you recommended!
From training?
Yeah. It started to hurt and I decided to push through it. Repeated process for 3 days. It was as dumb. If I stopped when it was starting it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad and wouldn’t have taken nearly as long to heal.
Test only would be your best bet
Your info is massively incorrect. Please spend a few hours researching a first cycle and pct
Care to elaborate?
Cycles too short for cypionate ester. Don’t add an oral to first cycle. Ten days is too soon to start pct with cypionate ester. Pct is all wacked. Your hcg on cycle but not pct. There’s probably even more wrong here, but these should be enough to keep you busy for a while
HCG has mild suppression so I’m not gonna run it during PCT.
Test C has a half life of 8 days so why do you think starting a 4 week pct regiment one week after last pin is too short?
10-12 weeks of test c is recommended by many sources. Why do you disagree?
I edited my original long comment simply because I do see there are a few things that aren't right such as starting pct 1 week after last test c pin. I also understand you are a newbie. Test C has a half life of 5.5 days but some do say 8 but either way 1 week post pin is not acceptable for starting pct.
Also I see 2 different orals for you up top but you only mentioned one in heading. I don't recommend orals for newbies but hey that's just me. Be safe.
Hey if I had my way, we’d all just run low dose longer cycles. Take these cycles, half the dose of all the compounds planned to be ran, and run that bad boy for 20 weeks. Slow and steady gains. No need to redline the engine.
I’m with this 100%…I run my annual spring/summer cycle roughly 20 weeks low/moderate. Aside from bumping up my test over the winter for about 8 weeks last year, I’ve never exceeded 300mg of any compound. It’s the only cycle I run, then it’s 150mg test alone until the next season.
+1 good deal
Good luck and please be perceptive of any constructive criticism that comes your way. It may come off brash sometimes, but it all comes from a well meaning place. Number 1 priority here is safety and longevity. Gains is number 2. If you’re wanting a place where folks hop on board to crazy, deleterious cycles in the name of “gains bro”, this is not the place for that.
+1 well said
Absolutely agree that safety should always be prioritized over gains! Thanks for the input!
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