Advice Suggestions HONESTY
Oi oi everyone. I have been away from the gym a long time. I had lost any and all Interest in anything "gym" wise. I am now back into it again. I won't bore you with everything but at my best I was benching 167kg for 1 etc etc (sorry if I sound like a knob) I went from 16 stone at my peak to 19 of pure strength and speed. Cut a long story short. I got married lost interest in any activities and i ended up getting to 29 stone, a huge slow completely disgusting slob. I started to diet then was told I had cancer which I feel was a bit of a bless as I lost lots of weight and I am now down to 15 stone and healthier than ever. I have been back in the gym for about a month and have caught that old bug, the flame is burning bright and I am back into it again. Throughout the training years of my life I did everything so I was clued up. I am completely out of touch now. All I am asking for is some suggestions advice and some honest answers and/or feedback, not a load of sarcastic remarks from fingerless glove weightlifting belt wearing youngsters.
I have just bought myself
Anadrol 50 - Pharmaqo lab tablets.
Stanozolo (Winstrol) 10mg - Proper lab tablets.
I really really would love and appreciate anything you might have on these. Any information. Are they any good. Will they be good enough to give me that little starters boost I'm looking for.
All I wanna do for a few months is keep taking these and get some strength and a little size back in me then go from there.
Thanks so much in advance.
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JacktonyThank you all so much. I wasn't expecting such nice honest decent advice lol. I thought I'd get attacked left right and center
Since you are only a month back into regular training, these are not good compounds.
Winstrol will dry you out and will lead to weaker tendons/ligaments.
(winstrol increases collagen synthesis, but decreases collagen cross-linking integrity)
Anadrol will cause significant effects. This will also likely lead to injury, as you'll simply gain too much size / strength too quickly relative to your current body condition.
I would bet money that you injure yourself on this cycle on top of making yourself feel like shit.
get your bloodwork. You NEED to know your baseline for liver, metabolic, and hormones.
In your scenario, I would run test 200-300mg/week testosterone and if you really had to "boost" things - Primobolan could be very effective - It's known for having almost zero side effects. At the right dosage it can keep your estrogen in a proper range, which means no AI needed (AIs are not healthy).
At test 200-300 you would still jump to several times your current testosterone level - without gaining too much strength and size too quickly. You'll still gain incredibly fast since you had muscle in the past - It will be like first time (noob) gains x2.
You really don't want to give yourself an injury or chronic nagging pain.
If you are able / willing to go on TRT - I would do something like a 4-2-4... 4 months at the moderate dose, 2 months on TRT, then 4 Months blast where you can introduce the orals you have here.
JacktonySince having treatment I am absolutely scared of needles lol. Can you get test as an oral ?? Should I not use the Winstrol? Thank you so so much for your help
If your scared of needles gear is not for you man..also you need to take your face off of here, be anonymous, remember this is not legal. You don't want Leo to know your face right
JacktonyNot scared of needles just a bit shy of them. I had so many needles stuck in me when in hospital and with treatment it's put me off a bit lol. Back in the day I used them often with various "supplements". Plus I knew I could trust where it all came from. Now days it seems like the only way of finding anything is via the Internet.
Brother the first time I loaded a syringe and saw the size of the needle I questioned myself if it was something I could commit to. Here I am 3 years later and it’s merely a formality. Once you start, you’ll see it’s a painless procedure that takes less than 30 seconds once or twice per week, it becomes a normal part of your life.
Thats a hardcore liver buster and no progress. You get a full blood scan? Trt?
JacktonyI've had so much blood taken I'm surprised I have any left lol
I would imagine that running those 2 orals with no Test is going to make you feel rotten, can't even imagine it. The Winstrol is going to put you at risk for tearing your tendons in 2 because they are currently fairly untrained and not strong yet and winny dries them out, the Anadrol is going to strengthen your muscle at a rapid rate at the opposite end so because the tendon won't support the load you will have a nasty injury most likely. Should have just bought a vial of Test E for now bud and run that at 300mg per week so that your body is fully climatised to training and a bit of gear again.
JacktonyRotten in what way ? Mentally or purely physically
These orals are going to shut down your HPTA and be very taxing to your system man. These kinds of things are best reserved for people who are at a high level and looking to supplement their current injectable cycles. Definitely a poor choice for someone looking for “a little strength and a little size” to get some motivation to go to the gym again.
Try some testosterone at a low dose, 250-350mg, that should be more than enough to get you going and yield some great results. And it would only improve the way you feel, unlike these drugs here which would ultimately have you feeling crappy.
JacktonyCan test be found in oral form ?
Yes, but it’s not the best route.
If you’re scared of needles, I would go see a urologist. They have cream as well as pellets. Both may be a good solution for you.
Get one bottle of test. Or... A bottle or two of hcg. If you're afraid of needles, get over it. Once you pin once or twice, people usually get over the fear. All you need is a shot every two weeks of test E or cyp or sust. I'm pretty lean already, I use insulin syringes for everything and pin shoulders and chest.
Considering you stats/goals, I would use a smaller dose of anadrol, 50mg a day for 3 or 4 weeks, then take a break from the orals for a couple weeks, then run the winny. Make sure you're drinking a ton of water. Would be good to look into some liver protection also.
If you're dead set against pinning, at least get some hcg and pin it 250-500mg twice a week. It's much easier /less intimidating pinning 28g needles just under the fat of the belly than sticking an inch and a half needle into muscle. I get it. Get over it or use hcg at minimum. If health is a consideration, anadrol and winstrol should be categorized close to tren IMHO.
Sorry I missed if you beat the cancer or what but... God bless/speed man!
JacktonyCheers brother x
Maybe you should have consulted first and only then bought. In general, everything injectable is much "healthier" than everything oral, even though an injection seems more frightening to some. So the oral cycle is a bad choice. Anadrol and winstrol alone is again a poor choice without at least some testosterone base. The companies you bought from are well-known and if you bought from a trusted source, then everything is quite OK, although they or the manufacturers can also make mistakes. Provided that everything is ok and that you don't feel sorry for your liver, of course you will have success in the gym. You're taking steroids though. Generally expect to gain KG or LBS quickly and lose them quickly.
anvilYour organs are gonna get the real workout. Get some test drop the rest for now. Abombs will get you strong and some great water wait but test is the king. Don't run anything without it.
Test base and I wouldnt run 2 orals at once.
For a new guy you should specify you mean test AS A base and not “test base” lol since that is a compound on its own
Good call.
Are you running test with these orals mate? If not, get some test too. You will need it. Especially as you age, you'll get more shutdown effects from orals running without test
JacktonyCan test be found in oral form ??
Nobody is answering because you should inject it.