+ 1 Early gyno from test and anavar? Need help
age 29
height 6.1
weight 191
body fat 18%
I was off test for two years after doing it for three years straight. 4 weeks ago I decided to get back on test and do a anavar cycle along side it. I ran with test e and started doing 150mg a week with 50mg anavar. The first 3 days of my cycle I did 25mg of var and then up it to 50mg a day (25mg morning, 25mg at night). I ran the 150mg test e and 50mg of var for 4 weeks. The fourth week I felt a lump in my left nip and of course it was tender and sensitive. I didn't understand how this was even possible since this is consider a pretty mild cycle. I immediately stopped everything and started taking nolvadex the past week because thats all i had on hand. (10mg and just recently upped it to 40mg a day the last two days). The lump hasnt grown on my left nip but it is still there when i touch it. The lump is not visible, thankfully. I have been on the nolvadex for about a week and my nip is still sensitive. The var and test e are from a great source with great reviews on here...so i dont know how this happened. Yes, i should of got bloodwork but assumed since this is such a light cycle, it would not be a problem. I have never had issues of gyno in the passed and thats when i was taking 300mg of test, var, and drinking my ass off like an idiot in my younger days. Like i mentioned I am 29 now, I workout alot, and never drink anymore. That being said, you would think i would be healthy for this light cycle to not get gyno. There is a couple questions/guidance that i will list below and would like answers and guidance on what the hell to do.
1.) Did i get early gyno because my test to var ratio? was my test to low for the amount of anavar I was taking? I know real var doesnt convert to estrogen but does kill test so maybe it wasnt enough test?
2.) I have only been on the nolvadex for a week,. How long should i stay on it and what is the recommend mg.
3.) Can I continue to do the test at 150mg a week with my nolvadex or do I cut the test out too?
4.) Lastly, should I try upping my test to 300mg, i was reading that increasing your test can help with gyno...
I am going to take bloodwork soon to see what is going on. I know i should of done this off the bat and shouldn't of assumed since it was a light cycle, i could of been safe. I will post my labs when that happens but in the meantime. What do yall think?
Thank you!
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You're actually increasing your free Estrogen taking Nolvadex during your cycle.
Also even with how long you took the test e and being 150mg the Nolvadex would do nothing until roughly 8 - 10 days for all the drug to be out
prettyboy123never stop the anastrozle
prettyboy123you should use anastrozole at all times
If its a lump, it is best to see a doctor as men can also get breast cancer. If it is sensitive nipples then an AI works great. For me Anastrozole works amazingly. When I would have symptoms, I would take 1mg of Anastrozole and it was gone the next day.
I never had to ever take an AI but that seems to have changed. How often do you take your AI? When needed, once a week, everyday but low dose? What is best practice when taking an AI? I’m sure it depends on how heavy your cycle is but what’s just the basic rule of thumb with AIs?
It seems everyone does an AI different, some guys take .5mg of anastrozole every other day. For me on cycle I would take 1mg of anastrozole when needed, like I had water retention or sensitive nipples. The next day I would be back to normal. The most I every took in a week was 2mg, most times just once a week and some weeks nothing.
I'm estrogen prone, don't run heavy cycles, I'm fat too, that's why. But my first cycle test and Anavar kicked up some baby lump irritation. I knocked it down but fought estrogen all cycle. Tried it again a few years later, same thing. It's legit Anavar. too.
prettyboy123just run anastrozole
Same I’m fat, boutta hit my first cycle so I’ll be fighting estrogen. Was gonna start with .5mg week of arimidex at the beginning of week 3 and go from there and see what happens. Might bump it to 1mg at the peak.
Most likely it was dbol or you already had a small lump from previous use OR from puberty. I thought I got gyno on test and dbol. I was looking at pictures from when I was younger and noticed my nipples looked weird that I hadn’t really noticed back then. Then later when I was in the hospia for something unrelated they had uploaded my medical records into this portal and I was reading the notes on old medical stuff and on a chest X-ray I had before steroids it said in the notes “mild bilateral gynocomastia” the crazy part to me is that no one told me when they had done that X-ray that I had gyno. I’m guessing since I was getting the X-ray for something unrelated maybe they assumed I already knew? That X-ray was in my early 20s but before steroids so I’m assuming I’ve had it since puberty. Shit was crazy I couldn’t believe it.
Did you have any other high E2 sides? Bunch of water retention? High BP? If you check your bloods and your E2 is crazy high, I’m gonna have to assume your var is really dbol. 50mgs a day dbol with no AI could absolutely give someone gyno
That has been the only side effect. I will make sure to post my labs. Gonna go get them done this coming week.
Ok one more speculation before we stop and wait for bloods. Is it possible you’ve always had a small lump under that nip since puberty, and you finally noticed it now, because you were really poking around? My nips get a little itchy every time I change test doses up/down while my hormones are reaching homeostasis. I could see this slight itchiness make someone do more self-checks around their nips, thus making them finally realize something that is always there. I sure as shit would poke around during these bouts of itchiness, fretting gyno, until I finally got enough bloodwork to realize I’m not gyno prone. Never grew lumps with this itchiness even though I had E2 as high as 100. The itchiness would also subside after a short period.
I am on Nolvadex 40mg Ed and I hit 150mg test every week. I have been off the “anavar” for two weeks
So it looks like you aromatize at a very high rate to have an 880 test with an above reference range E2. I’m gonna assume you just do 150mg in one shot per week? The test to var ratio didn’t cause the gyno, BUT if that var was dbol and just 150mg of test puts you at 64 E2 then adding another compound that converts to E2 woulda really pushed you up there. You’re just gonna have to be very diligent on your AI usage. If you lean up a good bit that’ll also help cut back on the aromatization.
Yes, 150 test a week. My Arimidex just came in. How many mg should I be taking and how often?
Well you could also drop your E2 by doing more frequent injections. Like 50mg 3x a week. You’ll get lower peaks thus less free test floating around not bound up to receptors which is what then gets aromatized to E2. For the adex start low and work your way up. 0.25mg or 0.5mg (assuming you got 1mg pills) at a low frequency and see if it resolves your problems. Remember adex is a non-suicidal inhibitor, so once it leaves your system the aromatase enzymes are freed back up to do their thing. Meaning you gotta keep it in your system for it to do its thing. Half life is 50 hours so dose according to that. Maybe 0.25mg every 3.5 days at first?
Thank you! Very thankful. Want to run something by you. I want to do a decca run in a couple months and never ran decca. I have always done var (maybe dbol too lol) and test cycles but want to put on some mass so I will be bulking as well on the decca run. What would be a good test to decca ratio? Also, before I run the decca I wanted to start with just the test to see how my body reacts to higher test before I add another compound. I was thinking 300mg of test or should I go more. What’s your thoughts?
I personally like keeping test in that 300-400 range while running other compounds to increase the anabolic nature of my cycle. I’m doing a 300 test, 300 NPP, 200 primo cycle right now. I haven’t run nandrolone enough to give ratio advice. But I have gained ~30lbs this cycle with keeping visible abs. Diet is everything. I’m mentally and physically exhausted from just the eating aspect of the bulk. The primo is in there just to act as a little AI. Hopefully some of the more seasoned cycle runners and help with that ratio question
I had that thought of maybe this has always been here. Been mind fucking myself over it so I am being safe and treating it like gyno. My left pec has always been larger than my right and my left pec is where the lump is under the nip. It will itch randomly and if I tough it then it feels a little tender. I obviously dropped the “anavar” but is it ok to continue with my test weekly at 150mg? I am of course taking the Nolvadex.
That’s a personal risk/reward decision. I’ve never heard of 150mg/wk giving someone gyno, but it’s easy for me tell someone else to continue because it’s not my titty. Ideally you woulda got bloods while running everything that gave you this supposed gyno. That way you know if the var is legit and hormone levels that made you have this feeling.
We can't really offer you any advice here other than get bloodwork, then we can guide you in a decent direction, but go to the doctor and let him/her know.
Everyone is different. Low doses of test still aromatize and if your body isn't used to the excess estsrogen levels to handle then yes, it's possible. Not to put the fear of god into you, but it could also be cancerous. That's why I say go see the doctor.
Also, you should always have an AI on hand. I take 0.25mg adex a week on TRT doses (which is around what you're doing), as prescribed.
I am on Nolvadex 40mg Ed and I hit 150mg test every week. I have been off the “anavar” for two weeks
Will do, I’ll post my labs once I get them done next week.
prettyboy123let us know. I never thot to get labs
I am on Nolvadex 40mg Ed and I hit 150mg test every week. I have been off the “anavar” for two weeks