+ 2 Real experience first cycle (terrible cycle, done by an idiot, with terrible results and side effects)
Hello.
As the title suggests this is a post of what I consider to be the stupidst cycle you could do as a first cycle.
I'm posting it for the following reasons:
- I want people to look at it agree on how dumb it is.
- I want people to never do what I did
- I want the post to serve as a reference for red flags so that you can avoid going down the same slippery slope
Few little tidbits to note:
Mental state and decision making heavily impaired from day 1.
I had all the research and tools I needed to not mess this up, but literally consistently chose the opposite compound (method of action wise) from what I needed to mitigate side effects.
I didn't even notice the most important change that occured: I was becoming a very different person.
I made terrible life decisions, didn't do my research properly, ordered whatever I wanted tried everything under the sun ancilliary wise to fix it later on.
I spent shit loads on OTC supplements of all kinds to keep bloods in range.
The only thing I did right was get lots of blood testing done.
I've left some values for you to see in the chart. Had more since.
Quick rundown of some points of interest not in the chart:
HDL and LDL were both low on cycle.
Everything else was fine (inlcuding liver.)
Kidney markers slightly elevated but just below the top of the ref range
T3 came back legitimately low at one point.
Side effects wise, I just had high BP all the time and couldn't think straight.
I felt at my best at the start of the cycle. (first 4 weeks.)
If I had just stuck to 300mg test e twice a week with HCG and some Arimidex I would've been fine.
But all the other shit I ran had me chasing demons in the night wondering what was the root cause of the problems.
I was trying to fix issues that didn't exist.
Thought I was getting gyno - I wasn't at all I just had some water retention.
In hinesight it was obviously estrogen related.
And taking proviron so early totally destroyed any hope I had of being able to regulate the androgens in my system with SHBG crushed.
As far as results.
I did put on 10kg+ lean tissue.
I was one of these idiots with stupid levels of body dismorphia that just couldn't comprehend how lean I was.
I started the cycle at 10%BF. By week 8 I was 7% easily (literally striations everywhere very lean).
In my head I thought I was 12% at week 8. It was because I piled on water retention and bloating as the day went on. So I deluded myself into thinking I wasn't lean.
I was 10kg heavier 5 weeks after starting and leaner.
Test was obviously not bunk.
Proviron was obviously not bunk.
Clen definitely real. I think it was overdosed pills or I reacted terribly to it.
I think my anavar and winstrol was probably underdosed.
I think the SARMS were potentially bunk.
The MK677 was real I literally exploded with water every time I took it.
Arimidex I assume was real but we'll never know.
T3 was definitely legit I was igniting like a furnace 24/7 on that shit.
What else, the GW was real I was a cardio monster absolutely loved that stuff.
Also I from memory I think that one probably caused my lipids to tank.
Strength wise I did feel very strong when I started the anavar. Performed my best lifts early on when I started that.
Anyway I stopped everything in the end no PCT complete cold turkey just to put the icing on the cake.
Needless to say I felt like complete dogshit. Still had the high BP even after stopping eveything.
Lost all the gains.
If I were to do it all over again I'd just do the 300 test e a week.
Take the armidex when needed and no more, don't touch proviron.
HCG was fine that stuff was great.
I'd just run the 20mg Anavar on top and some GW.
Get lots of strength, I do really enjoy cardio and GW took the edge off from the energy crash you sometimes get from doing 1 hours of moderate cardio.
Wouldn't bother with anything else really.
At least from this I learned the hard, fast, dumb and side-effect fueled way what does and doesn't work for me.
If I wanna get lean T3 and GW does the job.
If I want strength a touch of Var.
Stick with the easiest one: Test is best.
HCG for the extra horny and ball-preserving.
Feel free to state thy opinions below.
BLOOD PRESSURE DATE Time
125/59 29/03/2023 09:00
159/65 14/04/2023 10:00
125/60 14/04/2023 12:20
154/69 14/04/2023 12:30
170/60 15/04/2023 17:00
156/75 15/04/2023 17:40
159/61 15/04/2023 18:39
163/63 16/04/2023 22:44
134/60 17/04/2023 11:54
131/65 17/04/2023 16:33
130/53 18/04/2023 21:26
DATE TIME SYS DIA PUL
16/08/2023 12:50 159 64 85
16/08/2023 12:54 155 68 88
16/08/2023 20:26 147 72 94
16/08/2023 20:29 160 74 89
17/08/2023 20:36 173 70 76
17/08/2023 20:39 157 72 74
18/08/2023 09:02 156 70 86
18/08/2023 09:05 155 68 83
21/08/2023 09:05 168 62 71
21/08/2023 09:08 158 66 72
21/08/2023 19:17 159 58 79
21/08/2023 19:19 157 55 77
| WEEK | RAD140 | GW501516 | LGD4033 | MK677 | HCG | TEST E | Clen | Proviron | Sermorelin | Anavar | Tamoxifene | Winstrol | Arimidex | T3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 70mg | 140mg | 84mg | 175mg | 750IU | 300mg | 0 | 75mg | ||||||
| 2 | 70mg | 140mg | 84mg | 175mg | 750IU | 450mg | 80mg | 100mg | 0.75mg | |||||
| 3 | 50mg | 110mg | 72mg | 75mg | 500IU | 150mg | 160mg | 150mg | 1600mg | |||||
| 4 | 84mg | 750IU | 450mg | 40mg | 175mg | |||||||||
| 5 | 84mg | 500IU | 300mg | 80mg | 125mg | |||||||||
| 6 | 84mg | 125mg | 500IU | 300mg | 80mg | 75mg | 70mg | 100mg | 20mg | |||||
| 7 | 36mg | 100mg | 750IU | 300mg | 40mg | 140mg | 140mg | 70mg | ||||||
| 8 | 25mg | 750IU | 300mg | 80mg | 25mg | 140mg | 140mg | 75mg | ||||||
| 9 | 500IU | 200mg | 80mg | 25mg | 140mg | 280mg | 70mg | 14mg | 175mg | |||||
| 10 | 500IU | 100mg | 140mg | 80mg | 70mg | 7mg | 300mg | |||||||
| 11 | 500IU | 75mg | 70mg | 80mg | 140mg | 3mg | 350mg | |||||||
| 12 | 200mg | 500IU | 75mg | 270mg | 80mg | 140mg | 3mg | 350mg | ||||||
| 13 | 320mg | 250IU | 40mg | 100mg | 350mg | 80mg | 140mg | 9mg | 200mg | |||||
| 14 | 280mg | 350mg | 80mg | 140mg | 3mg | 350mg | ||||||||
| 15 | 280mg | 120mg | 350mg | 130mg | 3mg | 350mg | ||||||||
| 16 | 120mg | 200mg | 70mg | 3mg | 350mg | |||||||||
| ----------- | ----------- | ------------ | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- |
| WEEK | COMMENTS (AT THE TIME) | SIDE EFFECTS | BP | SERUM TEST | SHBG | ESTROGEN | ||||||||
| 1 | Post injection pain 8 hours post intramuscular | 125/59 | 259ng/dl | 461ng/dl | ||||||||||
| 2 | Post injection pain 8 hours post intramuscular glutes, quads even worse. | |||||||||||||
| 3 | Clenbuterol definitely really bad. Bradychardia and asynus heart rythm when taken later in the day/ | PIP continues, slight nipple irritation. Going to increase proviron up to daily. | 154/69 | |||||||||||
| 4 | Sermorelin research seems to indicate that 2mg prior to cardio is the recommended dose. | 134/60 | 852ng/dl | 57ng/dl | ||||||||||
| 5 | BP Lower on monday. Will keep monitoring and see how it goes. Blood tests done (hopefully they've done estrogen and we can see if that is high, which might in term have raised BP.) | |||||||||||||
| 6 | Way too fucking horny on this proviron shit. Gonna take it down to 125mg a week. None on office days. | |||||||||||||
| 7 | Should get MK677, Winstrol and Anavar delivered this week. | |||||||||||||
| 8 | Taking tamoxifen out, I think we crashed estrogen. | Estrogen actually super high. Ordered arimidex continuining Tamoxifen. Slight SHBG improvement. | 2913ng/dl | 115ng/dl | 92pg/mL | Free T3 was low, ordered some T3. | ||||||||
| 9 | If at any point estrogen becomes low, stop the arimidex - use only on injection days | |||||||||||||
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| 11 | Ordered Anavar, Primo & GW | |||||||||||||
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Mistakes happen doesn’t mean you’re an addict! Stick to test for the first 1-2yrs. and do blood work, good luck.
Bro holy shit. I was nervous about my first 500mg test per week cycle. This guy went balls to the wall from the gate.
And you barely gained more muscle than me.
Hard lesson learned bro, hope you're well.
Well, heres an upvote, I'm pretty sure you at least learned something.
Bro, I’m reading this and looking at that cycle like WTF? I’m laughing my ass off thinking who the hell is giving you cycle advice?
I can literally see the impulsive paranoia running the show for you.
If this is serious and you are telling us the truth and not trying to entertain us? Damn bro. I am entertained..
If this is a real post, I want to get serious and give you some advice. This is sincere and from the heart. If you take my advice…ten years from now , I truly believe you will thank me.
Bro…Steroids are not for you. Once you are done with PCT…steer clear of the juice unless a read doc prescribes it and administers it. Steroids are not for everyone. You fall into that category. I know you talk of a simple test cycle…but you and I know that you’ll never stick to that. That same brain that sent you on this crazy ass cycle …will send you on more of these until you are eventually dead. I’d be willing to bet you struggle with addiction, could be wrong…but when I see something like that cycle…that screams addict.
Go pick you up some Protein, some healthy food, dial that diet in and bust ass in the gym…you get plenty big…and you will be alive. Steroids rarely kill people. When they do…it’s crazy ass cycles like this that kills them.
I have a friend who died a few years ago from this type of thing. He was big as hell…but he hit everything way too hard for way too long and it caught up with him. One day he’s telling me that his heart and liver are twice the size of normal. And he’s kind of concerned but his thought process told him they were just big muscles and that all his muscles are huge. Ain’t no big deal. He kept going. A few weeks before he died..He was way off..he wasn’t him. I get a call from his wife crying with a surprise…could you come see him at the hospital we are having everyone come today to say goodbye. I had no idea My last word to him after I said goodbye and kissed his big as GH forehead? No homo.
What a waste of half a lifeZ.
Just say no bro.
All my love, no homo
Ed
Going hard out the gate!
Update us on if you are still alive mate
Jesus fuck, you threw the entire kitchen sink in lolol and you ate the sink. There are better experts than myself but looking at this cycle....this is not it. Like why???? lololol In all seriousness, I'm shocked you didn't have a heart attack. Like did you want to tank your E on purpose? I have way too many questions but I'll leave it at this. Yeah..........
Ate the entire kitchen whilst I was at it xD
Well at least we can all rest assured that next cycle won't be so stupid...
... I heard ment is pretty good.
Looking at everything you took, it doesn't make sense to me lol. You had so much shit going on your body probably was like what the fuck? 3 DHT's, sarms, clen....bruh...you trollin? lololol
My best advice is to run a basic test cycle a couple of times minimum. Don't pyramid the doses either. I would suggest start at 300mg a week, next cycle bump to 400-500. Don't add an AI until you get some bloodwork done about 4-5 weeks, you may not need one. If you do you can adjust as needed and get bloods done again to assess things. I wouldn't touch Ment for a while to be honest. 19-Nors aren't something you want to fuck with right away, especially Ment. Your whole approach on PCT in that cycle is why you lost everything. Don't run your PCT mid cycle. PCT= POST cycle therapy, not Mid cycle therapy. For Test cycles, you have to wait 2-3 weeks for the Test to clear your system before running PCT. I would add clomid to the nolva as they go hand in hand. Save the HCG for PCT. I'm not an expert on HCG as I've never used it but really save it. Clen is just trash don't use it.
Bet you made a nice little rattling sound walking around with all those pills inside you
Good lord
I practiced and refined the art of taking 20-30 caps in one sitting.
Just gotta inhale with water xD
Hey, at least you learned what not to do
I learned my lesson, for sure the hard way.
But I also gained something.
Despite everything I fell in love with bodybuilding anyway.
Even at the worst of it I'd still drag myself to the gym with 13ng/dl of total test.