posted Tue, 07/07/2020 - 19:52
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Why is dianabol preferred over anavar for kickstarting a cycle?
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Is there a good reason why anavar is not known as a kickstarting steroid like dianabol? From what I gather, the only real difference is that dianabol's androgenic effects causes more water retention, leading to a more swole look. Is that a reason to prefer dianabol for kickstarting? In the long run, does this matter?
Edit: People think I meant to type anadrol. That wasn't a typo. I mean anavar. I also get that androgenic effects don't lead to water retention, but the androgenic effects lead to aromatization which leads to estrogenic effects which lead to water retention.
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I feel this is dependent on the type of cycle you're running. If you are cutting, then anavar would be preferable. I personally promote anavar towards the end of a cycle due to it having milder properties. I look at as more of a polishing steroid. The vascularity, muscle hardness and fat loss are all qualities you are looking for at the end of a cycle.
I'm having trouble separating bro science from real science on this one. Something tells me people just associate water weight with powerful steroids. The one good response I got was that estrogen from aromatization is actually good. Other than that it's hard to find anything supported by literature.
I am very familiar with anavar from personal experience and from observation. It is hands down the most popular oral among my group of friends and acquaintances. I know plenty of men and women who have taken it with phenomenal results. The majority of people that I know who have taken it are mostly competitors. Their diets and training regiments are on point. They don't have excessive fat storages. They already have well developed physiques from years of training. I find that anavar has synergy with other lean bulk/cutting cutting products. The vascularity and muscle hardness is a very real effect from taking anavar. Women respond beautifully with lean muscle mass. Muscle mass gains from anavar are hard to distinguish with men since they're stacking multiple compounds. I have seen a decrease of fat after cycles. Again it is easier to see this on women since they naturally have higher fat percentages. Everyone reports strength gains too. I can't reiterate this enough that women are the easiest subjects to monitor for results with anavar.
Dianabol and anadrol are very popular with those looking to bulk. You see these bloated guys raving about their weight gains. Most of the weight gains are attributed to water retention. The strength increases are very real though. Anadrol is notorious for loss of weight gains after cycle. To me anadrol is good for jump starting a cycle. You get the rapid gains while waiting on the injectables to kick in. I don't recommend it for long term usage due to it's high toxicity. Dianabol does give good muscle gains. To me it is the best oral for bulking. I say Anadrol can be upwards of 80% water weight and dianabol can be up to 50%. Water retention can be mitigated with Aromasin or Arimedex. Keep sodium low and don't eat excessive carbs. Plus drink lots of water. Too many people falsely believe drinking lots of water increases water retention.
It all comes down to the individual goals. Some people only care about mass and strength. They don't mind being bloated. Other people want lean muscular physiques. The compounds we choose will help achieve our goals. At the end of the day diet is most important. We truly are what we eat.
Do you think there is a difference in muscle quality? Off-cycle, when everything is back to normal (i.e., no water weight), will there ultimately be a difference in the musculature and muscle quality between somebody who took dbol and somebody who took anavar?
That is an excellent question. I am sure a biopsy would show differences in muscle between a user of anavar and dianabol. I can't say whether one is of better quality than the other. There aren't many studies with AAS. You don't see side by side comparisons of steroids in clinical studies. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable lads can add something to this thread. I honestly don't even know what causes the muscle hardening property in anavar. I tried to research it and came up dry.
It's just weird to me that anavar isn't more popular overall. It's got the best side effect profile, it's easiest on the liver and it has a very high anabolic rating. My guess is people like dianabol because they get that mid-cycle feeling much sooner. With anavar, you won't feel the water weight until your testosterone builds up, but I understand that people prefer that on-cycle feeling right away. It's motivating.
Its because Dbol gives instant size, Big increases in strength, makes you feel euphoric when you first start using it and is cheap as peanuts. Anavar on the other hand is much more expensive and you have to run between 50 to 100 mg per day to get similar gains, which most simply wouldn't want to or be able to afford to do.
You are spot on. I've seen people spending upwards of $8 a day on anavar. That adds up quickly.
The price has gone way down. A cycle at beginner doses goes for about $50 and about $100 for advanced user doses. That's $1.25 to $3.00 a day.
I am referring to people buying pharmaceutical grade anavar. You are correct about UGL prices.
Isn't it based on the same principle as trenbolone whereby it speeds up your metabolism and in turn burns excess fat away, so appears to make the muscle harder but basically just removes the water and fat covering it.
That makes sense to me. One of those terms that is misleading. I was thinking the actual muscle was denser which made it feel harder.
People associate water weight with steroids that cause it - Otherwise they would say Halo and Superdrol also cause it ....
Think it was said below but, low test with dbol ( imo), is the way to go if you’re trying to get the actual effectiveness of dbol with minimal interference....that said, my personal experiences have been much better with pulsing drol with a moderate test dose than dbol with low test.......so back to your ?,.. again, imo, Anavar is more of a finishing compound vs a kickstarter.... most likely you’re going to be leaner towards the end of a cycle so the bar would be more prevalent at that stage vs the beginning....
I prefer 100 to 150 mg of var on the back end.... I hate Dbol... No matter what I do I end up looking like I got stung by a bee.
PcushionIt’s the estrogenic effect that causes water retention not the androgenic effect.
Yeah I get that. But doesn't the androgenic effect lead to the estrogenic effect?
Big/good question!
So, test binds to andro receptors, we all know that. But did you know it also can bind to the estro receptors and mediate effects? (and others)
So then, Picture this... this; you inject a whack load of test and whatever test analogue, say tren for example... and you munch down a load of dbol (or whatever!). Now you have 1) surplus test 2) surplus test analogue injection, surplus test analogue oral.... all floating around a body that doesnt want them there...
So then, while the body tries to bind the surplus or convert it with enzymes, test floats around doing what it does (which includes try to bind to the estro receptor. Then, as enzymes change some of the tests into estrogen, then normal estro plus the increased estro...does its thing... But hey, what if we add some growth hormone into the mix... guess what, that acts on estrogen receptors too sometimes/in some tissues...
Whats the point? Well, its much more complicated, than we currently know if we are to be honest, and its part of a bigger cascade of actions, effects, reactions more effects, side effects, etc.
This is why I’m thinking of running low test with other compounds.
Can't recommend it enough Bill.
Very much so worth a shot to see/feel the difference
You mean why is Anadrol preferred over Anavar for kick starting a cycle ?
Besides Press who uses Dbol for a kickstart or in general everyone knows Anadrol is way better than Dbol.
there that should ruffle some feathers.
I really meant anavar. People say it's a cutting steroid, but it has such strong anabolic properties, so I'm not sure why it can't be used for kickstarting a cycle.
Yea bro I'm just having fun
Anavar is a Good oral its lite on your system i.e. your liver and it has decent strength gains, but I wouldn't call it a "cutting" steroid . When I say its lite I mean its not quite as toxic as other orals i.e. Drol , but make no mistake it's still very toxic and can cause trouble if you take too much or for to long
It does not pull sub-Q water like winny , but its much much easier on your joints .
Personally I love me some Tbol to kick-start or to even put in the middle of the cycle.
He's just pulling your leg, we have an ongoing joke that I like Dbol and he hates it with a passion Lol
Got it. thanks
HAHAHA Tw*t!! Lmao Where ya been lately addicted - I've become an anadrol lover these days, I still like to run a bit of Dbol but never use it as a main strength drug anymore. I do still think Dbol around 30mg is better suited for people just starting out on orals than a 50mg Adrol tab though, they do take a bit of getting use to at first.
very true Adrol takes to time to get used to.
I've been crazy busy bro , being a nurse in times like these is very unpredictable and Chaotic to say the least , it's starting to calm down a little at least where I live it is.
What floor/unit to you work. Wife has been a nurse since she got out of high school and nursing school.
She has worked cardiac care/tele the whole time. Basically a step down unit from ICU.
The floor has been a covid floor since this started.
I started out on the pulmonary floor , then I moved to the ER .
I got burnt out working the ER and honestly got burnt out working in a Hospital environment in general , which is why I decided to move to a private practice .
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Tell me bud as you'll give an honest answer to this - Did you see a lot of people come in with big problems from running gear?
The only real straight up gear connected problems I ever saw come in were infected abscessed injection sites, I never saw any gear connected liver failures or in general gear connected health problems that required them to be hospitalized .
A Nurse friend of mine had a patient come in with an accidental sciatic nerve injection but I never personally saw one .
Most of the time when dudes are having aas related health problems they keep it kinda quiet and go to a private doctor.
Whats the main reason for the abscesses - Is it bad gear or injection protocol?
It could be either one or both , by the time they make it to the ER the infection is bad enough that it does not matter.
I bet she must see a lot of people die does she on the cardiac side - how many pass away on a daily basis?
So are you Hospital based now rather than in the army? What happens when people come in at first then suspecting they have the Virus?
Anyone coming in suspecting they have or are suspected of having Covid is immediately sent to an Isolated section of the hospital where they then run diagnostics, the test itself only takes about an hour now so the patient finds out quick whether they are positive or neg, If they test positive we take them out back and shoot them in the head ...lol just kidding we typically send them home to self quarantine unless they are experiencing serious symptoms then we admit them.
But in general anyone walking through the doors of the Hospital has there temperature checked and is at the very least glanced at by a Nurse.
But think God no I don't work at the Hospital any more , I'm working for a private Doctors office.
Aaahh Mate you are a funny soab ....
What signs does the nurse look for when they glance them? Is it pale skin and sweats.
Bet there is some good money in that then bud I'm guessing.
Honestly Temperature is the only tell tell sign we have , because some if not most people are asymptomatic .
I love kicking with real dbol for the strength jump, and feel good factor. If you run low test ypu don't really see the wet sides. Can be hard to find real old school dbol.
Adrol is also great too, and seems to actually build a bit of muscle which dbol doesnt
I remember back around the 90's everyone loved dbol. Strength, size and blow up quick. It was easy to get and cheap. Adrol was known for strength and water weight. But a lot of people had more sides with it and claimed it was very toxic. It was also harder to get it.
I don't know if they changed the raws these days but back then 30 mgs of dbol was the most people took. It def. felt stronger. Some even ran dbol only cycles for 5-6 wks. Start at 5 or 10 mgs, work up to 30 mgs, and then pyramid back down.
And it seems the adrol has gotten better. Also once the internet and ugls came around was easy to get. Just my observation.
Well that's an astute observation if I ever saw one.
Because some people live under a rock and haven’t found out about anadrol yet.
Off topic but I put up a post a while ago on what steroids people dislike the most and out in top was dbol I think. I’m not sure why it’s seen as a good oral to try first.
If I catch a sniff of a dbol pill I’ll grow a set of tits straight away yet with anadrol from what I can make out, more people can use it with lesser sides and have great gains if used sensibly of course.
This is why.
It is used to help people regain weight they have lost due to certain medical conditions (such as surgery, chronic infection, trauma, long term use of corticosteroid medication such as hydrocortisone/prednisone). It is also used to relieve bone pain due to bone loss (osteoporosis).
You can literally wiki the drug and see why it is used the way it is.
lol I get negged for telling someone what an anabolic steroid is used for.
Rediculous. +2
Dbol will add much more size and strength, but as it seems with all things, the greater the reward the greater the risk. I like anavar. It is versatile. You can cut or bulk with it and it’s easier on the body. I personally don’t like being bloated. Anavar has good pumps too. It seems you can get it less expensively now than before. Just my opinion on the compounds. Press and Beard are right about it imo
Its because Dbol produces virtually instant mass and strength, which is something that most people want when jumping straight onto steroids. Anavar is much more expensive, you have to take a lot more of it and is more of a cutting cycle drug as it has slight fat burning properties to it.
You can add more mass with dbol.
It’s not the androgenic effect causing water retention. It’s actually the opposite, it’s the estrogenic effects of the drug. Estrogen is very anabolic so the environment it creates (specifically the type of estrogen created by dbol, which is more potent) is great for adding size and strength. It also makes it easier for your body to utilize larger amounts of carbohydrates quickly.
Estrogen is not anabolic at all, it just increases the response.
Here is the study on Estrogen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2873087/
Its a study on women since estrogen is more prevalent with them. Taking that information you can see what it can and cannot do in men.