carrier oil and PIP
I'm 39 and on my second cycle. It's been 2 years since my first cycle and it went great. 500mg/wk test e at 2X250mg Mon and Thurs. Didn't have any PIP with the first cycle but I forget the source and the carrier oil.
I started this cycle about 3 weeks ago, same dose and frequency, but it's not going nearly as smooth. The first issue is PIP. It's bad. Real bad. The PIP starts the next day and progressively gets worse up to 3 days after injection, at which point I can barely walk, and tapers off after day 5. The pain is very similar to DOMS only magnified. I tried sub-q at .5ml EOD but the derm reaction is just as bad. I now have 2 huge welts that hurt like hell and are taking their time clearing up. The carrier oil is MCT and the gear is UGL grade, not pharma. Do you guys think the hellish reaction I've been getting could be from my body not agreeing with the carrier oil?
The other issue I'm having could be nothing or it could mean a lot. On my first cycle, I felt great and I could feel the test kicking in at about 2 weeks. Like a general Alpha feeling, lots of confidence. This time, nothing. Honestly, I only have one effect that indicates that it is indeed test, increase semen volume. Other than that, nothing. Libido is in the toilet, but that could be from constantly being in pain. Idk, my libido has been in the toilet for years anyways. I should probably be on TRT anyways. I know the long esters can take a while for the effects to show, but I have no morning wood at 3 week. I think that's kind of telling. My point is, I think my gear might be bunk. My plan at this point is to order pharm grade gear, test c, and go down to 250mg/wk until it arrives. I looked around for reviews of my source but can't find anything that doesn't ring out like bullshit. They aren't even listed here. Would love some constructive advice and am open to a conversation about it.
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Alphamale500I don't think it's absolutely necessary to buy some pharma grade gear. But I do think you should chose a site from the source list up top, and read some reviews first, that some members have wrote about some popular gear. Many of the sources on that list have UGL gear that's very good quality. Maybe you might even wanna choose one that's in the top 10 of whatever. I can vouch that there are multiple excellent gear brands that you can get from these sources. Check the reviews.
And idk what compound you're running now, I don't think you said, but test cyp and enanthate can take about 6 weeks to fully build up. 3 weeks may be when they're starting to build up, but not necessarily. Maybe you gotta give it another couple of weeks. But it does sound like your gear might very well be shit!
Btw, I can totally understand that Alpha feeling you spoke about! I have it all the time! Lol!
Manateeswimmer5678Is there ethyl oleate in the oil?
Molinin302I went through a very similar thing. Very trusted UGL, I still use and will continue to use. Deca-great. Cypionate-great. Sustanon-ouch. To the point where I hooked a friend up with it, and guess what? For him great. I'm no expert, but sounds like an oil or solvent issue.. Good luck bro.and stay up on your labs, the paperwork doesn't lie.
Sounds like you need a different source. MCT oil is usually the best for most and you should feel results and little PIP. Sounds like the GEAR is poor quality!
Get bloods done. If the pip is bad it could be bad gear, too high in solvents, or overdosed.
If it’s overdosed, your e2 could be high causing the low libido. Or it could be bunk. Only one way to know, and it is bloodwork.
Do you have a good rotation? You really shouldn’t get pip from 250mg test c. Nothing’s getting infected right? And are you getting lumps that don’t go away within a week?
I definitely would switch brands, but I’d get bloodwork as well.
Solvent concentration is 18BB and 2BA which is, as far as I understand, a little higher than it needs to be but nothing outlandish. Rotation is good. You're absolutely right - I do need to get bloods. I just switched PCP's so I need to figure out how to go about getting the right bloods and how to smooth ruffled feathers when they come back with abnormal results. I'm sure there's a post here somewhere on how to deal with that.
Alphamale500Hold up! You're just now gonna try and figure out how to get bloodwork? Smfh!! Oh boy, it just gets better and better with you guys!
What? No, I got bloodwork done yesterday.
RustyhookerAnd you know that ratio of solvent how? Some ugl brand dude on stovetop and hasnt slept in 3 days?
You a source or what?
LMAO I now have images of a smackhead cooking up some Test whilst trying to cook his eggs next to the pan.
Molinin302Lol, but what if he's a pancake guy?
Bit of egg splatter jumping into the Sustanon Lmao
it's labeled on the vial
PcushionIt’s a label printed for an illegal product sold on the black market and manufactured in a manner that bypasses any quality control laws for wherever the fuck it’s made. No steroid label ever said contents under dosed.
I get that, totally. But in the absence of better information, like having it tested at a lab, I'm going off the solvent ratio it has on the label. For my part, the next order I place is going to be pharma grade in glass ampules. Short of picking it up at the pharmacy this is best I can do.
RustyhookerActually best thing you can do is list your FULL pinning style...size, rotation, cc etc....
off on a tangent a bit - I thought selling underdosed/bunk test was something that even halfway reputable suppliers didn't do. Raws are wicked cheap and, from what I can tell, there's a hell of a decent profit margin to be made. I don't understand why a halfway reputable UGL that's been around for a couple of years would risk bad reviews that kill their business to make quick money selling fake test. To me, it doesn't make sense.
So the gear is test e 250mg/ml in MCT. Rotation is delt, quad, dorsoglute E3D 1ml in a 23g 1inch pin.I wanted 25g but couldn't find them. 1 inch is long enough for me to get a good IM depth. I warm the oil first. After the first rotation, i tried sub q 0.5ml in left lower quadrant abs and right love handle area. That was done with an insulin pin 29g 1/2 inch. The IM pins start hurting the next day. It seems like the bigger the muscle, the worst/longer the PIP is. Last pin was Friday and my ass still hurts like hell. The sub q hurt less at first until the welt came up. They 10 and 8 days old, respectively, and are just now starting to fade a little bit. It just seems like bad gear to me. The worst part is that I have no indications that it's real. I know test e is a long ester that takes time to build up but by week 2 of my first cycle, I knew it was real.I ordered different gear last night. I'm going to order bloods later in the week but only check my test levels. I'd like to get the whole TRT panel done so I can get my E2 levels but I don't have the $300 available to get that done. I just switched PCP's so it's going to take a bit before I can get him to run a full panel of bloods, say a month.
RustyhookerPrivatemdlabs.com for 69 bucks femsle hormone panel.
Screw those 23s....dropdowns up top...ancillaries. or click my pix.
Rotation...you gave no info
Warming how? Armpit? Coochie? Yes it matters.
Go research pip forums, its all laid out. Yes some oils do not agree with user. Ive never heard of mct pip so theres that....but its possible. Id look more at how and where you pin but you gave no info...wasted my time. Have fun!! Im done here
Molinin302Blunt, maybe borderline harsh, but solid advice. This why you're a go to. +
RustyhookerHarsh is simple. Go pay a prep coach with a real reputation and 120 bucks an hour is a base level. Im in here for free. My time has value. Hell, my gym a flunky 120lb personal trainer is 100 per hour and first 15mins is wasted on the treadmill. Lol
Molinin302What's a treadmill?
It's where you grind the bones of your enemies into to a protein powder
RustyhookerBoom^^^^ hurdle the dead and trample the weak
Sounds like you may need bloodwork for the libido issue and try warming gear before using.... That may help but after two years you have virgin muscle again so you have to consider that too
Should have mentioned - I'm following the advice I've found about reducing PIP. I've been warming the oil and injecting slowly. Concentration is 250mg/ml. Started in the Delt, that wasn't too bad. When I go in the dorsoglute I get the worst of the PIP.